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southace
southace
SA
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16 Jun 2016 6:02pm
Got a call heading out for my quick winter getaway and violent storm.
Marina manager calls trying to tell me even though I have been renting berths for over 5 years I'm no longer allowed to live on my yacht due to insurance / Blaa blaa reasons.
i argued with him and told him I have been living in marinas for past 5 years up the east coast.....etc
at least 20 live aboards in North haven S.A 10 or more in Cairns , Airlie , Port doug and Townsville they even have thursday night music night at the breakwater Marina.
all with laundry matts, bars and friendly people.

apparently he's had a few complaints!
im in the richest most unused unsecured Marina in S.A ?
Did he have a bad long queens birthday?
Luckly for me I'm heading overseas and gave him the date and he said that's all I need for now!

So where do I stand? Rules and Regs ?
Bruski068
Bruski068
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16 Jun 2016 6:49pm
Marinas can make up whatever rules they like, anytime they like, as they don't seem to have any regulatory body overseeing them, you as a customer always have the option of finding another marina that does not have the offensive rules, it sucks but there is nothing you can do but vote with your feet, if enough people leave then the marina management will have to explain to their shareholders why they have lost money. (assuming you don't own the marina berth).
southace
southace
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16 Jun 2016 6:22pm
Yeah I'm renting a private berth nearly half the price they would charge Im sure it would have been fine if renting through them like I did in the past!
Bruski068
Bruski068
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16 Jun 2016 6:57pm
I'd call the person your renting from to see if they know about the new rules, after all it's them that's going to be loosing money not the marina, they may even have bought the berth as an investment in which case their investment just went down the gurgler.
southace
southace
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16 Jun 2016 6:38pm
I don't mind really my new 225 watt solar panel arrived today..... By September I hope to live on the pick, grow a beard and eat mung beans! I'm just paying the lease hold annual payents on the berth to a private owner. I have many other options but I'm just curious on there intentions.
oldboyracer
oldboyracer
NSW
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16 Jun 2016 7:49pm
Same problem In nsw . You are not allowed to live permanantly on a boat here , but you can go cruising and stay in marinas . It's easier if your boat is registered at least 100 nm away and you live under the radar . But you still have to convince the marina owners and leave for a week or two every now and then .
southace
southace
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16 Jun 2016 7:28pm
Most carvan parks have permanent residents they love the rent!
In Townsville breakwater Marina Thursday nights was music night and catch up for drinks with the local liveaboards you could have your washing going as you sink cans and exchange story's. And the old guy living on a fishing boat with the palliative girls coming down every day to wash him and take him shopping.
Yorkeys knob old mate passed away on his yacht and we had a wake all you could drink and eat on his Tab.
Cairns Marlin Marina and surrounding waterways, well a few ferals but still all good liveaboard.
PDouglas Marina I recall the office chick lives in the Marina on a yacht.
The memory's!
but a little pee off!

andy59
andy59
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17 Jun 2016 7:49am
For some reason there seems to be a push to get rid of live aboards here on the Gold Coast too. I think it has something to to with the state of some of the boats. Some are just eyesores. It would be better if they had a minimum maintenance standard but that's probably harder to enforce.
Bruski068
Bruski068
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17 Jun 2016 10:55am
Does anyone know of a marina in Victoria that actually allows live aboards to stay there? Williamstown used to way back when, I don't know if they still do or not.
HG02
HG02
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17 Jun 2016 11:28am
most marinas are after the big spenders so to collect those they don't need any livaboard bogans
That's the real truth
Your older boats make the marinas look shabby
Course a walker is always trendy
wongaga
wongaga
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17 Jun 2016 4:38pm
I believe Yaringa in Western Port Bay is the only marina I've heard of that allows live-aboards.

I have heard of a few people who have done so at other marinas, keeping a low profile and apparently not harassed by the management. But I guess it's a bit fragile and one step out of place and you'd be gone..........
FabulousPhill
FabulousPhill
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17 Jun 2016 4:42pm
Re:"Does anyone know of a marina in Victoria that actually allows live aboards to stay there? Williamstown used to way back when, I don't know if they still do or not."
Gippsland Ports marinas allow live-aboards in Paynesville and in their other locations. They may not say so but there are live-aboards there.
http://www.gippslandports.vic.gov.au/gippsland_berth.php?berth_id=8
When the prices stabilise (the increase is being phased in) my 10x3m berth will be about $2200 a year. Car park and water in front, rubbish and toilets/showers only 50 metres away. No electricity connection.

Besides Yaringa, Hastings also allow live-aboards.
Bruski068
Bruski068
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17 Jun 2016 6:16pm
FabulousPhill said..
Re:"Does anyone know of a marina in Victoria that actually allows live aboards to stay there? Williamstown used to way back when, I don't know if they still do or not."
Gippsland Ports marinas allow live-aboards in Paynesville and in their other locations. They may not say so but there are live-aboards there.
http://www.gippslandports.vic.gov.au/gippsland_berth.php?berth_id=8
When the prices stabilise (the increase is being phased in) my 10x3m berth will be about $2200 a year. Car park and water in front, rubbish and toilets/showers only 50 metres away. No electricity connection.

Besides Yaringa, Hastings also allow live-aboards.


Thanks for the information, I was hoping for something in Port Phillip Bay, but not to matter, just have to wait a little longer then get out of Victoria for good, I hope.
wongaga
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17 Jun 2016 7:43pm
There was a bloke living aboard at the Anchorage Marina in Williamstown. Kept a low profile and they didn't hassle him. I personally know of a couple of people who live on swing moorings and aren't hassled by Parks Victoria.
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
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17 Jun 2016 7:59pm
It is my understanding that it is not legal to live on board anywhere in Australia, whether it be at anchor, on a mooring or even at a marina berth.
Now, while it is not officially condoned, the authorities for the most part turn a blind eye to the practice and I guess some conditions apply, your boat is not a total sh1t box, you don't hang the laundry from the rigging or blast the area with your boom box at 2:00am, there are possibly other reasons that will get you moved on.
But I think the thing is to fly under the radar, not make waves or upset the apple cart.
FabulousPhill
FabulousPhill
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17 Jun 2016 8:27pm
Re:Thanks for the information, I was hoping for something in Port Phillip Bay, but not to matter, just have to wait a little longer then get out of Victoria for good, I hope.

Come to think of it: when I did my diesel engine maintenance course through Yachtmaster at Royal Brighton marina, we went aboard one student's boat and she lived on the boat. They didn't elaborate on that, but it was a normal berth/jetty, security fence on the jetty, etc. just a low profile. Allowed or condoned, or not aware, I don't know. It would be a little out-of-sight from the marina restaurant area even if it wasn't in the rules.

PS don't know how to do quotes just yet.
LooseChange
LooseChange
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17 Jun 2016 8:46pm
FabulousPhill said..


PS don't know how to do quotes just yet.



Push the quote button in the top right corner of the post you are quoting
Bruski068
Bruski068
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18 Jun 2016 12:23pm
So it is possible, but you have to do so under the radar and be prepared to leave at a moments notice, that is not a problem that is how I've lived most of my life. Thanks to all responders.
cisco
cisco
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18 Jun 2016 11:17pm
Be it at a marina or on a mooring, living aboard seems to be less kosher as a means of housing one's self lately. If that is the way you want to live you just have to be very low profile and shift around a bit.

If one is serious about the sailing life style, he would be shifting around a bit anyway which means he would not spend too much time at any particular marina or mooring.

Those that just hang in the one spot for a long time and let it all hang out (washing, animals and pot plants on the marina) are just making it harder for everybody else.
Bruski068
Bruski068
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19 Jun 2016 10:08am
cisco said..
Be it at a marina or on a mooring, living aboard seems to be less kosher as a means of housing one's self lately. If that is the way you want to live you just have to be very low profile and shift around a bit.

If one is serious about the sailing life style, he would be shifting around a bit anyway which means he would not spend too much time at any particular marina or mooring.

Those that just hang in the one spot for a long time and let it all hang out (washing, animals and pot plants on the marina) are just making it harder for everybody else.


Very true, it's the same with the idiots who go camping in national parks and leave their campsites looking like the local garbage dump.
Crusoe
Crusoe
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19 Jun 2016 10:44am
Bruski068 said..

cisco said..
Be it at a marina or on a mooring, living aboard seems to be less kosher as a means of housing one's self lately. If that is the way you want to live you just have to be very low profile and shift around a bit.

If one is serious about the sailing life style, he would be shifting around a bit anyway which means he would not spend too much time at any particular marina or mooring.

Those that just hang in the one spot for a long time and let it all hang out (washing, animals and pot plants on the marina) are just making it harder for everybody else.



Very true, it's the same with the idiots who go camping in national parks and leave their campsites looking like the local garbage dump.


The marina where I have my boat doesn't appear to have an issue with people living there. Some of these people have jobs and businesses. They just like this part of boating lifestyle. I like it too because they are all friendly and its good to catch up with them when I go down to work on my boat or head out for a sail.

Please don't say things that make out that all permanent live aboard people in marinas are the same as you have grumbled about. To me, they help make my overall boating experience better. I might even join the ranks one day.


(I wonder what your back yard looks like)
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
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19 Jun 2016 9:29am
WA government has information for DoT Marina's.

www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/marine/MAC_PO_LiveOnboard.pdf
slammin
slammin
QLD
998 posts
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21 Jun 2016 6:03am
My 2 marina's Yorkeys and Marlin have quite a few live aboards. I'm lucky they're all pretty friendly and as a plus we have zero theft issues. Not that I have much that anybody would want anyway!
AusCan
AusCan
SA
88 posts
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21 Jun 2016 7:01am
Yeah Southace, most marina operators just want pretty boats lined up which never get used. It may keep the electricity costs down, but I'd prefer a marina which has some character and life; not just a parking lot for boats.

I'm berthed at Glenelg on the Patawalonga. They don't allow full time liveaboards, but there have been a few guys working fly in/fly out jobs who lived on the boat 50% of the time. It seems they have disappeared though. Perhaps they got the word as well.

You may want to check out a rental at New Port . There are berths that aren't really in a marina, its more of a real estate development. Not much for facilities other than power & water, but they may not have the same restrictions as Northhaven.
Bruski068
Bruski068
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22 Jun 2016 12:12am
Crusoe said..

Bruski068 said..


cisco said..
Be it at a marina or on a mooring, living aboard seems to be less kosher as a means of housing one's self lately. If that is the way you want to live you just have to be very low profile and shift around a bit.

If one is serious about the sailing life style, he would be shifting around a bit anyway which means he would not spend too much time at any particular marina or mooring.

Those that just hang in the one spot for a long time and let it all hang out (washing, animals and pot plants on the marina) are just making it harder for everybody else.




Very true, it's the same with the idiots who go camping in national parks and leave their campsites looking like the local garbage dump.



The marina where I have my boat doesn't appear to have an issue with people living there. Some of these people have jobs and businesses. They just like this part of boating lifestyle. I like it too because they are all friendly and its good to catch up with them when I go down to work on my boat or head out for a sail.

Please don't say things that make out that all permanent live aboard people in marinas are the same as you have grumbled about. To me, they help make my overall boating experience better. I might even join the ranks one day.


(I wonder what your back yard looks like)


My backyard looks a little bit wet, the grass is at the stage where mowing it is a toss up weather to do it now or wait for next week, the Mandarin trees are full of fruit that are almost ripe for plucking, the other fruit trees are bare as is natural at this time of year, otherwise the vegetable garden behind the privacy hedge is growing along nicely with no weeds in the beds, everything else is packed away out of site in the shed. that is what my backyard looks like though why you wanted to know on a sailing forum is beyond my comprehension.
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