Is this a question or an answer??????

cisco said...

Fractional sloop, drop keel operated by electric winch. Well performed day sailer.Very comfortable below with three double berths and two singles,6ft headroom, toilet & stove.
Length 9.2 m, Beam 3.2 m, Draught 1.8m, Displacement ??? 3.75 to 4.25 tonne??

I'm impressed they have headroom in such a shallow bodied hull, perhaps its headroom only in the aft end of the cabin near the overhead hatch. Hull weight would be closer to 2 tonne I think. Its probably meant to be trailerable with a wide load permit

It's not too bad really, depending on how much cash you have. Looks a similar interior design to a Cole 23, just larger.....not sure I like that keel box in the middle of the cabin, but it does look roomy and reasonably functional for racing in the cockpit... not sure how it would go in the larger swells though.

What do I know, I've got a Top Hat 25', 6 foot headroom, sleeps 4 and 1/6th the price of a masrm 920.

Each to their own I guess.

Enough discussion Cisco?
Mick

Keep them coming Cisco.
Wife and I are looking for a cruiser to take us at least through the Pacific and maybe further.
Limited capital for purchase (about ? $40,000)
Your suggestions are a good guide.
The Compass 28 looks best candidate so far.
Triton is interesting as well

elbeau said...

Keep them coming Cisco.
Wife and I are looking for a cruiser to take us at least through the Pacific and maybe further.
Limited capital for purchase (about ? $40,000)
Your suggestions are a good guide.
The Compass 28 looks best candidate so far.
Triton is interesting as well

"Limited capital for purchase (about ? $40,000)" Plus whatever you need to spend to set it up the way you want and for what you want to do.

We all have budgets. The trick is to spend it the most wisely.

If you are thinking "a cruiser to take us at least through the Pacific and maybe further.", a proven design will relieve you of a lot of doubts, especially if it is possible to read of other peoples experiences with that yacht.

Similar to a Compass 28 and very much worth your consideration is the Clansman 30. I have never heard a sad or bad word said of them. There are currently 3 of them for sale on Boat Point. See them here:- http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results.aspx?N=604+607+610+4294907178
Cheers Cisco

+1 Re the market. There is blood running in the streets.

The Razor said...

My 2 cents worth.
I don't like the Masrn as a cruiser but a really good harbour racer, no doubt about that. The problem I think with the Masrm is the cockpit, again great for racing but not for extended cruising. The cockpit is sort of shallow, not a comfortable spot to sit for hours. A more comfortable cockpit for cruising would be on something like the Phantom 32.
Also, that big cockpit would be pretty exposed in a decent seaway and would get plenty of water across it. I know one Masrm that has dropped it's rudder twice whilst sailing outside.
Haven't seen too many Masrms being used for extended voyages, such as the S&S 34.
I think they were made as a trailer boat and should be used as such.
I believe they do weigh only about 2 tonne, hence why they go so well.

My 2 cents ,I agree the masrm 920 is more performance orintated then the other boats mentioned in this thread.the 920 is just a blown up version of the masrm 720,which in it's day was a quick little boat ,fairly tender and plains downwind in a blow like a dinghy.
Back to the 920 ..very good cruiser / racer or overnighter ,probly handle a small family for a week away or so ,, Fairly tender boat as is is a centerboarder and as mentioned has more of a racing petagree than say the ss34 and the phantom 32,these are fixed keel boats and have a proven ocean going capabilitys.
If you want a solid sea boat which you could go away for weeks or months at a time go the ss34 / phantom32 ,If you want a quick club racer capable of doing Brisbane to Gladstone race and you only want to go away a week or so ,go the Masrm,
Other considerations ...ss34 / phantom you will need to moor ..the masrm you could pull it out on a trolly with a 4x4 and store it on a hardstand.
I have seen them being built by Merv Anderson, and they have a very good reputation as being a very well built boat .

Thanks very much guys. You are keeping me busy checking specifications and prices. Certainly plenty of choice. Any advice on maybe buying overseas and sailing one back here? The market in America looks crowded. Interested in doing the Great Circle Route in Eastern USA

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duncanson 26
check this out

Rattlehead said...

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duncanson 26
check this out

Thanks Rattlehead. We are still waiting for a house to sell before we commit to a boat. I was just hunting for ideas and suggestions. Looks like a beauty though. I would definitely be interested.

Ramona said...

elbeau said...

Rattlehead said...

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duncanson 26
check this out

Thanks Rattlehead. We are still waiting for a house to sell before we commit to a boat. I was just hunting for ideas and suggestions. Looks like a beauty though. I would definitely be interested.

Not to do any serious ocean work. The Duncanson is just a trailer sailor and while a nice boat is not meant for anything other than cruising and racing in the Gulf waters of SA. Its a similar size to my quarter tonner but with less beam and self righting ability. Good for day sailing and the occasional weekend, not as a passage maker.

30 foot I would say was the minimum for safe offshore passage making and ensure it has sufficient stability, roll coefficient etc. To simplify matters if the yacht/class your interested in has entered the Sydney Hobart race at some time then it meets the basic criteria for stability at sea. Most of the half tonners and production boats we have mentioned have and do.

Before you lay down $40,000 on an ocean cruiser I would suggest a face to face discussion with an experienced cruising sailor, preferably one that's not trying to sell his boat to you.

Not suggesting in anywhy that a 26ft would be a world cruiser ,there was suggestion of a compass 28 an triton 24 ,I believe the dunc 26 is a far superior boat than these 2.My parents had one in the mid 80's and we use to go away 2 adults and 2 teenage boys for 2 weeks at a time on it comfortably,also use to do well in club and interclub races on Moreton Bay ,One year we even won the winter series at Sandgate and this was when there were 70 or so entries not like these days when 15 boats is a good turn up.

smash78 said...

Agree Ratltlehead, we have friends that stayed on there Dunco on the Whitsunday's for 2 months, 2 adults and 3 children, they sailed that Dunco all over the place in all weather

Elbeau is intending to "sail the Pacific and beyond".Sailing in the Coral sea etc is not the same as sailing the Whitsundays.

Friend of mine sailed a 27 foot Kaufman 27 quarter tonner[Supersonic] to Lord Howe with 3 of his mates a few years ago. When we were discussing it he said it was very exciting but they were young. Nowadays he has more sense.

The market is awash with quality sea going yachts. Another SS34 has just come on the market close to Elbeau's budget.

Even if it IS in good condition you are still going to be spending a bit of money on it.

How does it go? BOAT, Bring Out Another Thousand.

Ramona said...
Mick,
My quarter tonner cost half what you paid for a Tophat! Its nearly 10 foot wide and has heaps of room, same dimensions as a Cole 26. But not quite headroom, very comfortable cockpit. Fast and easy to singlehand, that Lexcen bloke new what he was doing.

I could have 12 of these for one masm 920. Were would I park them?

Ramona
Indeed, I too could have bought a timber Van de Stadt 34 for $4k, but I think the guy who bought is still hasn't raised a sail on her a year down the track. Mine is "of average condition" and whilst she doesn't look that pretty was perfectly worthy for coastal passages from day one. I didn't want to have to spend a season getting a boat ready, but rather have a "rolling restoration" as they say.

Actually, the guy who bought that Van de Stadt posted here once or twice about whether it would be stable in the ocean, and I did see him working on it one day in Lane Cove, but haven't seen anything of him since.

Mick

MichaelR said...

Ramona said...
Mick,
My quarter tonner cost half what you paid for a Tophat! Its nearly 10 foot wide and has heaps of room, same dimensions as a Cole 26. But not quite headroom, very comfortable cockpit. Fast and easy to singlehand, that Lexcen bloke new what he was doing.

I could have 12 of these for one masm 920. Were would I park them?

Ramona
Indeed, I too could have bought a timber Van de Stadt 34 for $4k, but I think the guy who bought is still hasn't raised a sail on her a year down the track. Mine is "of average condition" and whilst she doesn't look that pretty was perfectly worthy for coastal passages from day one. I didn't want to have to spend a season getting a boat ready, but rather have a "rolling restoration" as they say.

Actually, the guy who bought that Van de Stadt posted here once or twice about whether it would be stable in the ocean, and I did see him working on it one day in Lane Cove, but haven't seen anything of him since.

Mick

If you can find me a cold moulded 34 foot Van de Stadt for 40 grand call me and I'm there.

The link from Cisco looks like a dogger. Lot of those 60,s VDS 30 footers are good cheap, fast sea worthy boats.