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Obsession
Obsession
NSW
14 posts
NSW, 14 posts
14 Sep 2011 12:06pm
First what a great forum and thanks to all contributors as a newie to sailing I just lean so much just from the posts

Just to bring you into the picture I have just purchased a nice old 30 footer that has been sitting around for a few years unused hence about a foot of rain water has collected in the hull making every thing mouldy inside. Some one suggested to use 30seconds mould remover which I did worked a treat however yesterday in my spare time looking though old posts one post suggest not to use any chlorine or Bleach type products as they destroy the fiberglass not sure what's in 30 seconds brand looks like a trip to the Pool shop for some Anti Chlor to neutralize the inside against possible destruction the part I cannot get my head around is lots of pools are made from fiberglass

Not trying to repeat my same mistake I need to remove some mould from the outside as well as cut polish and wax the hull any suggestion on products for the 3 jobs any help much appreciated

Ramona Can you help as I will be taking here down to JB soon

MattM14
MattM14
NSW
190 posts
NSW, 190 posts
14 Sep 2011 4:34pm
Hi Obsession

I have always used and acid wash for the cleaning of the hull etc. I think from memory it is a Ronstan product called "Boat Clean" but I am sure there are a number around that do a similar job.
Last time my yacht was out of the water there was this rather neglected yacht next to us that looked like it hadn't been in use for some years. The guys hit it with the acid wash all over (hull and deck) and whilst it don't look like new it certainly made an impact. After the acid wash you will need to give the gel coat a polish with something like Ronstan "Boat Smart". Handy hint - get yourself a power polisher. Doing the job by hand really sucks (but then that's what crew are for )
Disralei
Disralei
NSW
127 posts
NSW, 127 posts
14 Sep 2011 9:40pm
Hi Obsession

I am going to make your day, send me your E address and I will send you a copy of how to buff your boat so that you can brush your teeth using the hull for a mirror. However, should you hull cause other boaties to have accidents from the glare coming off your hull I will not be responsible

As for your mould problem, attached is a little pillow reading for you.

Re: Getting Rid of Mould


Bleach does not work on mold. Both EPA and OSHA have published papers on that fact. It will not kill spores and will act as a fertilizer for the remaining spores. Also, it has the added benefit of being extremely toxic for humans.
I am in the mold remediation business and there are safe products available to kill and prevent mold growth.


An EPA document/advisory against the usage of 'bleach' for mold remediation for 'consumers' is: EPA 402-k-02-003 especially - www.epa.gov/mold Your 'connection' to the EPA from this document will probably provide the source data.

Mold and Mildew remediation by the EPA recommendations avoids the usage of bleach. Such has been a standard in the BioPharma Industry for about 30+ years where the 'general' disinfectants are quaternary ammonia, or H2O2+peracetic acid, etc. and/but 'caustics' are preferred because they dissolve the mycelium cells or result in cell lysis (break open). The usage of 'laundry bleach' has long been known to only kill/stun the current infection and if the dead cells are not removed, those cells/fragments merely become a nutrient source for successive/other mycelium species infection.

BTW - 'black spots' on exterior fiberglass are usually 'artillery fungus' (Sphaeobolus Stellatu) which can penetrate deeply into gelcoat, especially if the gelcoat has become porous. Only way to remove is to dissolve it with caustics but it may leave 'shadows' deep within the porosity. 'Artillery fungus' is widespread in high humidity 'forested' areas or areas that use lots of 'mulch' that is made from ground-up hardwood or tree bark. Artillery fungus can also penetrate polyethylene and other permeable 'plastics'.

Good luck





Disralei
Disralei
NSW
127 posts
NSW, 127 posts
14 Sep 2011 9:54pm
Hi Obsession

I just stumbled over this article, it may give some creditability to the other info I sent you earlier.

Mold and mildew is easily cleaned by using 'caustic' soap or detergents. The 'caustic' dissolves the cells, both the visible cells and the cells that have penetrated the surface.

Examples of caustics: old fashioned 'lye soap', TSP - TriSodiumPhosphate, detergents containing sodium silicates. It sometimes takes 'time' to dissolve the cells ... so apply, let soak, etc. Caution- caustic detergents & soaps also dissolve human skin, eyeballs, etc. so wear 'protection'.

Note: For interior surfaces - once the surface is cleaned and flushed with water, simply 'spritz' on more caustic, wipe and let dry ... will be a modern version of 'whitewashing'. Mold/mildew spores will not propagate on caustic surfaces.
Caution: do not use on BARE teak or other fine BARE woods as caustics will extract the tannins and will change the 'color'. Dont apply to varnished or 'oiled' surfaces - good 'remover' for oil finishes !!!!! ... (To protect varnished or oiled surfaces apply vinegar and let dry).

If you use 'bleach' you only kill/stun the organism and the remaining dead cells can later become the nutrient source of other molds/mildews.



Diss
slainte
slainte
QLD
2246 posts
QLD, 2246 posts
14 Sep 2011 10:20pm
Hi Disraeli, great gov pdf, as a house painter have been using chlorine water mix for years as a cheap alternative but mould does return. Have a problem house ceiling in an old Qlder which we,ve tried traeting, and finally sealed with zinsser stop stain .
Will be investigating further into the document to try to find the best system for mould and mildew, especially in asbestos.
As for a nice shiny hull can you e mail me your boat buffing technique.
Cheers
Ken
lorri
lorri
TAS
22 posts
TAS, 22 posts
14 Sep 2011 11:48pm
Hi Can you email me the boat buffing guide too please,maybe you can post it on here somewhere too.
Obsession
Obsession
NSW
14 posts
NSW, 14 posts
15 Sep 2011 2:54pm
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