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hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
NSW, 397 posts
18 Feb 2010 9:09pm
What would you choose? if you could have a sailing/cruising/racing boat what would it be? I know what mine would be and i'll post it soon . Keep it real though, We dont have an unlimited budget here folks, if you could have a boat that fits into your economic limits what would it be? im Interested as what i want is ( i think) very different from the norm
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
18 Feb 2010 8:40pm
Hmmm. my dream boat !
How about a Cole 43, its an easily driven, classic
styled sloop. Quite quick in light and heavy weather (upwind especially)
Very sea worthy (if not a bit wet lol.) has a great motion in a swell
is not flat bottomed so doesnt slamm in a swell.
Roomy enough interior with seperate living/sleeping/showering/eating
areas.
dralyagmas
dralyagmas
SA
380 posts
SA, 380 posts
19 Feb 2010 5:24pm
Dream boat if I came into a bit of money would be either an Archembauld 40rc or a Bene first 45. Good mix of racing and rate well on IRC but good enough to take away for a month on reduced sail and a few add ons.

Realistically NSX 38, Young 11 and maybe Farr 1020 if the budget gets tight. Dont know a hell of a lot about these boats but seem to have the good mix of a race orientated boat that you can still cruise. If anyone has experience in a good 35-38ft racer that can cruise with 3 or 4 people let me know.

If i had unlimited cash then a Maarten 49.
hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
NSW, 397 posts
19 Feb 2010 11:03pm
Well Cisco you knocked it on the head with the Trimaran suggestion! In 1987 a world beating tri by the (Sponsors name) name of "Bullfgrog sunblock" was kicking ass all over the place, I remember reading about it in a Modern Boating magazine When i was into fast Ski boats and being a cowboy, Thinking that sailors were wankers.
It was built on a cane plantation on the Tweed on a budget and there was not a thing in Aus that could come anywhere near it. It had the ability to smash to windward which is not a multi strongpoit and it was FFFFFAST!!.
I wanted to build it about ten years ago but got talked out of it by the"experts" who told me that tri's have no resale and are very limited in thier living accom etc etc .
I built my cat and for aall the trials and tribulations of building and cruising a cat i must say that i dont need all the room ive got on this big thing (40ft) and I would never sell my boat/home/avenue to adventure, But i often think of building that TRIMARAN! Hell ive even got the plans!
Brett Crowther who is the son of the original designer gave em to me and theyre sitting there waiting to be built!! With a few modifications for a cruising boat and stretched a meter or so and a toothbrush holder installed it would be the ultimate F F F FAST cruiser
On the Mono side of things i think the Adams 44 is the ultimate!
Its an upwind sceamer, fast on a reach and downwind, Centerboard for shallow anchorages (which is a Multi strongpoint) But rolly in crap anchorages?.
The crew who originaly built the Tri wrote a book about the ordeal and its a good read! Return in the wake by Cathy Hawkins is the title and it is really worth adding to your sailing library.
badinfluence
badinfluence
QLD
538 posts
QLD, 538 posts
20 Feb 2010 11:09am
Hhhhmmmm Cisco

such a wise soul,,,,,,,,,,,,,however, not sure whether I would ever choose to sail with you. Especially as a gal LOL!

In a former life I sailed for a long time aboard a Canadian Alberg 34. Similar lines and seakindly capabilities to an S&S 34, however, probably twice the room.

She was such a sweety on all points of sail. No pounding to windward, well-mannered running downhill (unlike many of your favoured IOR boats, Cisco), no-fuss masthead rig (unlike many of your old IORs with busy fractional rigs and all that running backstay nonsense[}:)] )and despite her long integrated keel, very manoeuvrable getting into marina berths.

Now that life is different and I have a crew of little people to consider, plus a hubby who wouldn't/couldn't cope with cruising in such tight confines as an Alberg 34 or the Cal 34 that we sold (boo, hoo, another gorgeous girl!!), would have to be much bigger to accommodate them and their 'stuff'.

If money was not so much of an issue as it is in reality, I would choose something in aluminium. A no-fuss, honest boat with minimal gadgetry..............less 'stuff' to inevitably break down. Van de Stadt Samoa 47 for the mono side or an Easton 47 for the multi team. .

The reality is sticking to our Crowther Eureka ....a repower from the clapped out Isuzu diesel to 2 x Yamaha 9.9s...........new main and genoa..........scoops on the transoms. After all, a good-enough boat is better than no boat at all.




badinfluence
badinfluence
QLD
538 posts
QLD, 538 posts
22 Feb 2010 12:18am
hee hee, no, paranoid about the drop zone from berth to sole.....so. normally one adult to one child ratio in each hull. Guess it ensure we need no more berths LOL

Despite all the bad karma (lost my dear old Dad etc.) that went with buying our Eureka, I actually love her. And when I think about selling her and buying something else, well, the equation comes to the fact that we would have to spend a bucketload more money to improve our boatstyle.

However, what I would give to be able to go to windward ...if one chose to!

KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
22 Feb 2010 10:35pm
hangtime said...

What would you choose? if you could have a sailing/cruising/racing boat


Mine would be an old school " Dragon " . Damn I love those old wooden boats. When I was a kid my dad owned one called "Fairwind" . There are'nt many around these days but a real classic and fit the description of what your after
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
22 Feb 2010 10:36pm
if all else fails you could always buy Oracle???
hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
NSW, 397 posts
23 Feb 2010 8:41am
KEARNSY said...

if all else fails you could always buy Oracle???


Yeah those two boats Alinghi and BMW Oracle are pretty useless now ? What becomes of them? Too expensive to run for tourist trips and no other races will be held for them and pretty expensive to berth in a marina?

planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
23 Feb 2010 1:09pm
hey kearnsey... check out www.rgyc.com.au there is an article
somewhere there about the launch of a NEW dragon in Tassie.
Lovely yacht ...
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
23 Feb 2010 9:00pm
WOW Thankyou for that , if any one else is interested you can find the article here
http://www.rgyc.com.au/news-mainmenu-103/new-dagon-hits-the-water

I guess it makes sense to make them out of fibreglass these days , however the old wooden girl had a nice flex when under power.

I wonder how they sail? Im thinking that they might compare closely to an etchil?

I'd really like to hear if any one knows of any original dragons around - I'd love to own one again.
Its interesting to hear that the world dragon championships will be held in Melbourne next year - that class is still really big in Europe.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
24 Feb 2010 8:32am
KEARNSY said...


I wonder how they sail? Im thinking that they might compare closely to an etchil?

I'd really like to hear if any one knows of any original dragons around - I'd love to own one again.
Its interesting to hear that the world dragon championships will be held in Melbourne next year - that class is still really big in Europe.



They appear regularly on EBay. Usually require some work but still exceptional value. $30,000 of mahogany for $2000 sort of deals.

You live in Perth where just recently an Etchell appeared on Ebay at $2000 TWICE and never got a bid. I had to restrain myself from not buying it and trucking it over East.
whodey
whodey
NSW
29 posts
NSW, 29 posts
24 Feb 2010 10:05am
Hello all,

My Dream boat would be the Beneteau OCEANIS 43.
They look very nice, I had a walk through one the other day.
I am in the market for the smaller sister and might get one new.
I was wondering if anyone knows what kind of price reduction one can get on a new boat.
I know with my car I got well over 10% savings after a lot of back and forth haggling.

good winds..
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
24 Feb 2010 7:05am
Thanks for the "heads up" I'll check it out
whiteout
whiteout
QLD
269 posts
QLD, 269 posts
24 Feb 2010 9:21am
The boat i like is one you can stand up in as I have been unable to do that for a long time, my choice of yacht would be a swanson 32 as I have to limit the overall lenght to something that you can handle by yourself as you don't always have extras on board to help.
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
26 Feb 2010 9:49pm


another cheap racing day sailer is the "Diamond", 30ft , now in glass also, real fun boat, keel boat with trapeze and big sail area.
Regards james
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
26 Feb 2010 10:08pm
hangtime said...

What would you choose? if you could have a sailing/cruising/racing boat what would it be? I know what mine would be and i'll post it soon . Keep it real though, We dont have an unlimited budget here folks, if you could have a boat that fits into your economic limits what would it be? im Interested as what i want is ( i think) very different from the norm


The key element here is econonomic limits we all have those , so our choice
was a Savage s&s "Defiance" . Great pointing ability,great sea boat and 6ft head room ,with great layout. very well balanced sailing .

Regards james
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
27 Feb 2010 8:29am
SandS said...



another cheap racing day sailer is the "Diamond", 30ft , now in glass also, real fun boat, keel boat with trapeze and big sail area.
Regards james


There is quite a good one on Ebay at the moment, 8 days to go and $270 currently. I know the broker selling it, he specialises in mooring minders and seizures etc. Last week or so he sold a Soling for $240. I missed out on a timber Cole 35 with him a few weeks ago.

I would love an SS30/Defiance but the owners are asking unrealistic money for the ones presently on sale. SS34's are selling for less. UFO 34's are getting cheaper, even Nantucket 31;s and Cole 31's are being offered and reasonable money at the moment. Definitely a buyers market.
badinfluence
badinfluence
QLD
538 posts
QLD, 538 posts
28 Feb 2010 10:13am
A modified Diamond does the Gladstone race regularly and has an outstanding history of victory over the bigger, horrendously more expensive boats.

The brothers are not very popular because of their cheeky victories.............or the fact that while other Southerners are punching to windward going home after the race, these boys just simply put Saltash on a trailer and take her home by road. Love that ingenuity!!

Agree with Cisco about exhilerating sailing...good honest fun!! Used to be a good fleet sailing out of Sandgate in Brissie. Pity they all drifted away
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Feb 2010 10:42pm
yep , that boat is modified to ocean race , the standard Diamond has no self draining cockpit. maybe she has a tub in the cockpit? ..... yes great yachts , a Diamond was my first taste of sailing as a learner crew , great fun ,used to give the nolex 30 a fright.
no reef points in the main, so 25 nkts was max wind speed allowed . did get caught out a couple of times ,so ditched the genoa and went on main only.

regards James
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Feb 2010 10:50pm
badinfluence said...

A modified Diamond does the Gladstone race regularly and has an outstanding history of victory over the bigger, horrendously more expensive boats.

The brothers are not very popular because of their cheeky victories.............or the fact that while other Southerners are punching to windward going home after the race, these boys just simply put Saltash on a trailer and take her home by road. Love that ingenuity!!

Agree with Cisco about exhilerating sailing...good honest fun!! Used to be a good fleet sailing out of Sandgate in Brissie. Pity they all drifted away


about the missing fleet in brissie , ...there are 8 or so of them in williamstown in vic still racing.

cheers
Poodle
Poodle
WA
868 posts
WA, 868 posts
5 Mar 2010 9:53pm
SandS said...

hangtime said...

What would you choose? if you could have a sailing/cruising/racing boat what would it be? I know what mine would be and i'll post it soon . Keep it real though, We dont have an unlimited budget here folks, if you could have a boat that fits into your economic limits what would it be? im Interested as what i want is ( i think) very different from the norm


The key element here is econonomic limits we all have those , so our choice
was a Savage s&s "Defiance" . Great pointing ability,great sea boat and 6ft head room ,with great layout. very well balanced sailing .

We (UFO34) have a great duel with a Diamond "Top Shelf" in heavy weather off Freo during winter. Two big slabs of lead bolted to the base of her keel; goes like the clappers once they sobre up & sheet on....




WindWaterSailAU
WindWaterSailAU
WA
62 posts
WA, 62 posts
9 Mar 2010 10:42pm
Agree on the economic bounds principle. Can't enjoy the experience if you've got major repayment worries.

So given those constraints it would have to be the 30 ft steel cutter that I'm paying for tomorrow.

Built like a brick ****house, averages 5 knots in under 20 knots of wind, 6-7 if its blowing its tits off. 6ft headroom and enough room to swing a small jack russell in, well maintained and full of good equipment.

Sure, I could have pushed the budget and got a bit more waterline length but hey I'm going cruising, will just make the hops shorter and see things a bit slower AND see it this year instead of next.

The key to new adventures is lying in central Queensland and in just 27 more work days, I'm kicking the rat race up the arse for a year and takng some time off for myself.


Make it happen folks.
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