Navman 3100 sounder

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Propwalk
Propwalk
91 posts
91 posts
26 Sep 2014 7:09am
Hi guys, I did the fix on this depth sounder described on youtube it worked ok for a while but it's playing up again so it's time to move on. I'm look at a cheap fish finder/depth sounder from BCF as the Navman is no longer suported.

It appears no mater how I go I will have to haul out to fit a transducer unless I can get something that will run on the existing transducer.

Any thoughts on the above?

Bill
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
26 Sep 2014 11:55am
If you have a fibreglass hull you may be able to fit a through hull sounding transducer. That is one that that could possibly just stuck to the inside of the hull with silicon

Google it up for different ways of fitting one up.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
26 Sep 2014 5:34pm
I belive, the transducer is manufactured to specific frequency and the transmitter is tuned to it.
You can try, might by lucky.
Cheap sounders usually have transom transducers.

Garmin website:
Will not work on a boat with an inboard engine due to the turbulence forward of the sensor
Not recommended for sailboats because of excessive heeling
Will not work on stepped hull.

long time ago, I use large dia plastic pipe, fill up with oil, remember working perfectly.
/ of course pipe was laminated to inside hull and transducer was properly positioned and attached,
oil filling hole permanently closed/
Ambler
Ambler
TAS
123 posts
TAS, 123 posts
27 Sep 2014 7:52am
I replaced my 3100 speed with a cruzpro equivalent sourced via cruzpro new zealand website. I think the navman and cruzpro along with a number of other brands are manufactured by a common company. Anyway it worked and even the temperature from the Navman transducer works.
In my opinion you are much better served with a fishfinder style display, at a glance you can see the bottom profile changing and have the digital display on the screen as well. Invaluable for transiting river bars.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
27 Sep 2014 8:10am
I got a Navman 3100 system on my boat, and last year I thought, it was playing up for a while until I read the manual how to operate it. The transducer - luckily - was fine, l had problem with the boat speed reading and a damaged impeller. I was looking for replacements and researched the project. It has a thorough-the-hull transducer in a certain diameter - I can not remember what size (1 3/4'???) - but I remember, no other brand had the same diameter transducer. All were larger by .25 or.5 inches. That ment a lift-out and drilling, fitting etc. So no good news here.
I would not trust a siliconed-in transducer anyway.

While researching the subject l found a gold mine of parts for Navman. It is Boat Harbour Marine Scarborough Qld. The proprietor is Fletch. The phone number is 0413-691614 he is a good chandler thou cantankerous and he does refunds correctly. I dealt with him for months while l was up there. He had a !!brand new transducer!! in stock.

Whoever, l am looking for a Navman display, l am even advertising on Buy&Sell about it. If you decide to replace yours, would l have the ghost of a chance to buy the display of you? Send me a pm.
I hope you manage to solve the problem. Sometimes the wiring is pinched and damaged, connections loose it might be worth investigating this before you junk it.



Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
27 Sep 2014 8:22am
Ambler said..
I replaced my 3100 speed with a cruzpro equivalent sourced via cruzpro new zealand website. I think the navman and cruzpro along with a number of other brands are manufactured by a common company. Anyway it worked and even the temperature from the Navman transducer works.
In my opinion you are much better served with a fishfinder style display, at a glance you can see the bottom profile changing and have the digital display on the screen as well. Invaluable for transiting river bars.


At a glance you are seeing history! You have already passed over it. The digital readout for depth is showing whats directly below your transducer now! This is similar to an A scope. Some vessels have the transducer at the stern but even if its at the bow it's too late.

Forward looking sonar is the only thing that will aid crossing a bar but I would suggest keeping to the leads and watching ahead.

In Bill's case toy sounders are either 150 or 200 kHz. Most manufactures use Airmar transducers. I think Navman have been swallowed up by Lowrance so a search will probably find one easily enough. The only tricky part is matching the wiring. The manufactures all use different plugs and some have more wires than others. The info is all out there though.
Ambler
Ambler
TAS
123 posts
TAS, 123 posts
28 Sep 2014 9:26am
Yes, true it's history BUT at a glance you can see the trend. Is it getting deeper or shallower. If you dont have a bottom profile display, you have to keep the digits in your head for the next time you can afford that glance down to your instruments.
Only my opinion, but as a hydrographic surveyor who has spent many hours hunched over a rolling paper sounder display, as his boat driver tries to keep the vessel on line and on the back of a wave if heading towards a shoal adjacent to a barway. The driver has enough on his plate to keep the boat safe without having to stare at a sounder to determine the current depth trend. It's the sounder operator who calls abort when he sees the bottom gradient trending to a dead end.
And besides all that you find the fishfinder is generally cheaper and outputs NMEA depth if you wish to record your passages or survey an anchorage. You can also see what the bottom is before you anchor with a fishfinder. Weed, rock, sand and mud show up very well.
As do fish if you want to turn the fish symbols on for a feed of flathead or whatever.
Propwalk
Propwalk
91 posts
91 posts
28 Sep 2014 2:33pm
Before I jump in the deep end I'll take a run down to the boat this week and check the wiring and the fuse to the unit, when I came back from a sail the other week
the display went blank and then came back up, it did this a few times and then went dead.

I've read a lot of Andy McNab books he was a whiz at picking locks, he said it wasn't the first time that he struggled with a lock for 10/15 minuets to find that the door was unlocked all the time.

Do you see what I'm getting at? I'll test every thing again before ripping the boat apart.

Thanks for your input.

Bill
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