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crustysailor
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18 Jun 2012 2:08pm
Just a bit of a heads up, I have placed an ad on Seabreeze on behalf of our local yacht club advertising the sale of our workboat.

The boat itself is pretty average, but it has a 20HP Bukh 2 Cylinder that has been reconditioned.

Asking price is $1,500.00

It may help someone out, I know there have been a few diesel threads recently.
refer to sailboats in 'buy and sell' for more info.

cheers
Ramona
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19 Jun 2012 8:50am
That's an exceptional buy. The boat might look a bit average but would tidy up well. Any idea who built the hull? I have been trying to remember the builder of small ferro yachts from melbourne who built the 24 foot ferro yachts in a female mould. There was one on eBay a few weeks ago.
Anyone?
crustysailor
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19 Jun 2012 1:25pm
Thanks Ramona, would it have been Kahn Walker you were thinking of?

I don't know if this was his sort of thing,the workboat Grumpy was largely before my time, but there would be club members who know more history of the boat than I do. We had one of his versions of H28 ketch, which is still was my alltime favourite boat.

The workboat is a bit of a shame to cut up, and would be a good 'putt putt' for someone who wanted a project.
Ramona
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19 Jun 2012 6:37pm
crustysailor said...

Thanks Ramona, would it have been Kahn Walker you were thinking of?

I don't know if this was his sort of thing,the workboat Grumpy was largely before my time, but there would be club members who know more history of the boat than I do. We had one of his versions of H28 ketch, which is still was my alltime favourite boat.

The workboat is a bit of a shame to cut up, and would be a good 'putt putt' for someone who wanted a project.



No Walker has always been doing his version of the H28. I have a feeling the yacht design was nutcracker, they built a few of them.

That workboat would be a perfect fishing boat for a pensioner. I'm trying to sell a Delta Islander for an old bloke here who is asking $15,000, I know which one I would prefer. We are getting a few ferro yachts and motor boats here locally. Trouble with ferro is you probably wont get much more than 100 years out of them!
Charriot
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19 Jun 2012 9:22pm
Hey Ramona
That 100 years from ferro ...is that 50 years as a fish
shelter on the bottom included, or extra on top of it.
cisco
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19 Jun 2012 10:40pm
Doesn't really matter what a hull is built from as long as it is well designed and built correctly.

Anybody remember "Helsal" the "Flying Footpath" designed by Joe Adams??
Ramona
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20 Jun 2012 8:31am
Plenty of ferro yachts that people don't realise they are ferro. I have had to tap the sides on yachts on the slips to check. Talking to owners of yachts locally and they are often surprised that their neighbouring yacht is ferro. Fibreglass yachts built in the 1940's are still going but work boats in ferro from the late 1800's are too.
rumblefish
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20 Jun 2012 8:33am
cisco said...

Doesn't really matter what a hull is built from as long as it is well designed and built correctly.

Anybody remember "Helsal" the "Flying Footpath" designed by Joe Adams??


And she was called such because she flexed nearly a foot from bow to stern when planning along downwind!!

Seriously though, Ferro is fine until something goes wrong. There was a beautifully kept Hartley down here then another yacht took a chunk out of her in a storm, creating a 4 foot hole on the gunnel and exposing the reo.
Basically a write off, unrepairable, not that an insurance company will go near a Ferro boat anyways!
LooseChange
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20 Jun 2012 2:48pm
rumblefish said...


Anybody remember "Helsal" the "Flying Footpath" designed by Joe Adams??


And she was called such because she flexed nearly a foot from bow to stern when planning along downwind!!

Seriously though, Ferro is fine until something goes wrong. There was a beautifully kept Hartley down here then another yacht took a chunk out of her in a storm, creating a 4 foot hole on the gunnel and exposing the reo.
Basically a write off, unrepairable, not that an insurance company will go near a Ferro boat anyways!


Before there is too much more knocking of ferro boats it's prudent to remember that in similar circumstances a boat of any other material will probably flex just as much as Helsal did. Helsal had a very unique at the time, method of construction, she had longitudinal steel wire ropes embedded in the hull that were tensioned to approx 25,000 lbs and then the ferro mix was plastered on.

For further reading and education on ferro boats have a look here
www.ferroboats.com/
It's an eye opener regarding all the things you did NOT know about ferro.
Ramona
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20 Jun 2012 7:23pm
rumblefish said...

cisco said...

Doesn't really matter what a hull is built from as long as it is well designed and built correctly.

Anybody remember "Helsal" the "Flying Footpath" designed by Joe Adams??


And she was called such because she flexed nearly a foot from bow to stern when planning along downwind!!

Seriously though, Ferro is fine until something goes wrong. There was a beautifully kept Hartley down here then another yacht took a chunk out of her in a storm, creating a 4 foot hole on the gunnel and exposing the reo.
Basically a write off, unrepairable, not that an insurance company will go near a Ferro boat anyways!


Ferro is probably the easiest boat to repair, even more so with the modern gear we have today. I am staggered the Hartley on eBay has not attracted more interest. Then again there are several yachts on eBay at the moment that are just so tempting, especially that Waarchip, surely one of you Victorians have a bit of room in your yard.
MorningBird
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20 Jun 2012 8:18pm
Why are they easy to repair. Everything I have been told once the reinforcing gets corroding it it very difficult to permanently fix it. Patch yes but fix no.
Pittwater
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30 Jul 2012 10:18pm
Great Diesel Motor, I have a 32 year old Bukh DV20 Diesel that has never missed a beat
sctpc
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1 Aug 2012 7:29pm
Off topic :-) But Dean you know much about Kan Walker? I ask as I bought a Saga its a GRP and im told only 3 made before the factory burned in Geelong in the early 81-83?








































crustysailor
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2 Aug 2012 5:56pm
Hi sctpc,
I did not know Kahn personally, but understand he was pretty well known locally. He had some pretty unique designs and materials used.
I;m sure there are plenty of experts in our club who would know more about him and the Saga, I'm happy to try and find out anything specific you may be after.

Also, I am catching up with another local designer of the same era, designer of the Gilcraft range of boats, which included versions of the Queenscliff Couta boat which you may be familiar with. He will definately have known Kahn.


Oh yeah, anyone want that diesel. :)
Ramona
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2 Aug 2012 6:31pm
Can't believe you have not sold that boat yet! Just had a look at the photos again. It has a universal joint aft of the gearbox, is that green bit an aqua drive unit?

Its hard to work out boat buyers. Local ex fishing boat went to Victoria last week from here on a truck. Surely there must be fishing boats for sale in Victoria!
sctpc
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2 Aug 2012 7:11pm
Id like to know if the story is true, but my boat is a very well made standard 31' (9.45m) SAGA (Kahn Walker Design)
Beam 8.2m
Draft 1.4m
Construction – Fibreglass/Balsa Core Composite, Epoxy Skin below water line
Launched 1987 Beam could have been wider but the she would not be as fast.

Good luck on the sale But would it not be worth Ebay I would say there would be a chance the club could make more money.
crustysailor
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3 Aug 2012 2:18pm
I'll see if the local brains trust knows the goss on your Saga.

Good advice on the ebay though. I was being a slack, and maybe a bit of wishful thinking.
I had good fast results on Seabreeze buy and sell though, selling my tri pretty quickly.
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