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keithw
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16 Feb 2013 10:56pm
Does anyone have any experiences with NS38's?
Ramona
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17 Feb 2013 6:46pm
keithw said...

Does anyone have any experiences with NS38's?




I don't. I was chatting to a mate down at Jervis Bay yesterday who does though and he really likes it. He also owns a Davidson 34 [Chutspah]. He bought the Davidson from Tasmania and its a great boat but needs a few good crew to handle it. He races the NS 38 and can manage it with only two crew but he races it with several. Much more civilised. The Davidson is for sale!
MorningBird
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17 Feb 2013 10:31pm
I have looked at Northshore 38s. I recall post 1995 versions are the best, better original engine option, better transom/swim platform and something better about the rig (can't remember the details). I like them.Roomy, robust and a reasonable turn of speed.
But they are quite powerful and need a crew with some skill. Not the sort of boat you go out for the day or night with just about anybody on board, as you can with my boat.
keithw
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18 Feb 2013 12:10am
Yes they are sold as a fast boat and from what I can see need no less than two to sail although the model I'm looking at is setup for one. ensignbrokers.com.au/ensign/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/northshore-38-yacht/118942/

Photos don't do her justice I was quite surprise when I first viewed her and of course the asking price is a bit high but they are negotiating down to what I think is good.
keithw
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18 Feb 2013 12:33am
Wow!! I'll let my mate know, must of been all that oil comming out of the Exhaust or the owner's baby has arrived!
Ramona
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18 Feb 2013 8:30am
keithw said...
Yes they are sold as a fast boat and from what I can see need no less than two to sail although the model I'm looking at is setup for one. ensignbrokers.com.au/ensign/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/northshore-38-yacht/118942/

Photos don't do her justice I was quite surprise when I first viewed her and of course the asking price is a bit high but they are negotiating down to what I think is good.



That's an awful lot of boat for one to sail. I'm guessing wheel steering too. Take out the Missus in 15 knots and try her winching in the genoa.
keithw
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18 Feb 2013 9:20am
Is that in between her leaning over the rail?
keithw
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18 Feb 2013 9:59am
I learnt that awhile ago in fact I found it was better to start her off in the helm position teaching her how to come up on a mooring, tacking I would swap positions on a run but at the end of the day it was team work with me being the team but all was happy.
cisco
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18 Feb 2013 11:40am
Ramona said...
Just as a matter of interest, when sailing with the wife it might be wise to think of that as sailing singlehanded!

Good free download on sailing singlehanded.

http://www.sfbaysss.org/tipsbook/


Thanks for another great download Ramona.

The guy on the front cover has his hands and feet full.
MorningBird
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18 Feb 2013 5:04pm
In a breeze my boat is a handful single handed, even 2 handed when the crew isn't experienced. The last person I want on the helm is an inexperienced sailor while I'm up forward or trying to put a reef in at the mast. The past weekend I had to untangle a horrid wrap when my helmsman released both heady sheets to "help" me sort out a problem.
In my view the skipper or a very competent helmsman needs to be on the helm when there is a risk things could go pear shaped.
An NS38 is way beyond me solo or nearly so. Short handed would mean leaving the sails furled and motoring like a stink boat.
cisco
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19 Feb 2013 1:04am
^^^^I really appreciate what you are saying there John.

However, you are the master of the vessel and all others aboard are crew and crew does what it is told.

You as an ex pusser should especially appreciate this.

With a mixed crew aboard, I hate being on the helm. It is like a prison and everybody else is free to go around and bugger things up. My favourite helms position is the windward shrouds or the forestay from which I issue steering instructions by way of eye contact and hand signals to the slave on the helm.

The person on the helm, if they are inexperienced, gets a big fat from thinking he/she is the one in control of the vessel, while you are free to make sail adjustments, check the bilges, ensure the seasick person below does not spew on your upholstery, prepare food, serve drinks or even have a quickie with the hottie in the head.

Pick the most boring and pedantic of your crew members of the day and pose the question, "Would YOU like to steer the yacht and feel the power of the wind today?" Rarely will anybody say no. Issue him/her with specific instructions on steering, and then roam to advantage on your yacht.
FreeRadical
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19 Feb 2013 5:48am
Pick the most boring and pedantic of your crew members of the day and pose the question, "Would YOU like to steer the yacht and feel the power of the wind today?"


Huh! Forever wondered why I always got to helm on other peoples' boats.
keensailor
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19 Feb 2013 10:52am
keithw said...

Does anyone have any experiences with NS38's?



I am about to buy a Northshore 27, all the research I have done says all the Northshores were well built and sail quite fast.
HellfireJack
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19 Feb 2013 8:59am
MorningBird said...
In a breeze my boat is a handful single handed, even 2 handed when the crew isn't experienced. The last person I want on the helm is an inexperienced sailor while I'm up forward or trying to put a reef in at the mast. The past weekend I had to untangle a horrid wrap when my helmsman released both heady sheets to "help" me sort out a problem.
In my view the skipper or a very competent helmsman needs to be on the helm when there is a risk things could go pear shaped.
An NS38 is way beyond me solo or nearly so. Short handed would mean leaving the sails furled and motoring like a stink boat.


You are right, it is all about buying the right boat in the first place. We all have the dream when we are going to buy the boat of how much fun we will have taking out our friends.
But after you get it you find yourself as the person doing everything so everyone else enjoys there time out on the boat. So to make your life easy look for boats that can be totaly managed from the cockpit, unless you plan on racing and will have crew. My 40 Bene could be totaly controlled from the cockpit and the auto helm could be used to steer the boat, it ment I could sail it single handed no matter what the conditions, just had to make sure you had sea room to do what you need to do.
SeatrekIII
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19 Feb 2013 7:39pm
As an inexperienced couple we started with a Compass 28, then went up to a South Coast 36 and now we own a Oceaanic 46 (Jack Savage) this has been over a 10 year period. Always set the boats up to be handled by 2, and we are not youngsters anymore. We have sailed to Hobart and back, and up and down the east coast numerous times, always just 2 handed. Wife is so competent that she always helms back into a very difficult marina pen while I handle the lines, also if she hits something it's not my fault
It's not difficult with 2, you just have to have patience. My 2 cents worth.
keithw
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20 Feb 2013 4:02pm
SeatrekIII said...

It's not difficult with 2, you just have to have patience. My 2 cents worth.



I think thats the key and once alittle instructing is done Julie's (wife) is fine! I'm always amazed at there ability to multi-skill
cisco
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20 Feb 2013 10:31pm
keithw said...
I'm always amazed at there their ability to multi-skill


Yeah the multi skilling thing is fine but keeping their minds focused on the immediate, top priority, life dependent task at hand is the dilemma.

They would rather inform you of the latest information they got from Mary from the Dairy last Tuesday.

For them it is vital information you must receive upon which you must respond "Oh! Is that right Dear?" Of course it is. She just said it. You must use as many words as possible to satisfy them that you actually listened and care about the subject.

For us it is a mind numbing distraction and a waste of breath and mental resources.

They are a different breed of cattle.

Ramona
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21 Feb 2013 8:57am
Males use on an average 2000 words a day. Females 6000. Males can get by on less, but females have to use their 6000 words. Once you understand this its Ok.

claverton
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3 Mar 2013 4:47pm
On the theme of suitability of designs for short handed, any thoughts on suitability (or otherwise) of a Farr 1020 to set up for solo? Shape of the transom would make it more difficult to install a vane but not insurmountable (no pun intend).

I like the fractional rig, non IOR profile & ligher displacement, but I haven't heard of one set up for short handed.
Ramona
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4 Mar 2013 9:02am
claverton said...
On the theme of suitability of designs for short handed, any thoughts on suitability (or otherwise) of a Farr 1020 to set up for solo? Shape of the transom would make it more difficult to install a vane but not insurmountable (no pun intend).

I like the fractional rig, non IOR profile & ligher displacement, but I haven't heard of one set up for short handed.



Mounting a windvane would be easy. Search on Flemings web page will probably show pictures of a windvane on a Farr 1020. Tiller steered 1020 would probably be Ok and would be similar to a Figaro 2. Wheel steering might be awkward.

Check out this crowd.
ssaa.com.au/

Windvane site, I'm Ramona there as well.
www.cruisenews.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=62
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