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CanAussie14
CanAussie14
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1 Jul 2015 7:33pm
Hi guys, I want to get some opinions from more experienced boat owners...

I bought my first boat, an Endevour 24 a few months ago and I'm finding it all kinds of fun. I like her; she's quirky, funky and mature and forgiving of my learning curve.

I bought her for a bit under $1500 and have put in a fair bit of sweat capital into tidying her up, and I guess somewhere around $1000 on lifelines and some other safety/sea-worthiness oriented improvements. Overall she's sound, safe and functional though.

I'm at the point now though where I'm deciding whether to put some real money into her. She needs antifouling, could use a lick of pain, and I ought to replace the rudder shaft. I also want to put in a furler for the genoa. Later I'll want to spend some more money on the cabin to make her a weekender rather than the day sailer she is now.

By the time I put that kind of money into her, I might be spending the kind of coin that would buy a better (but still not great - I accept that) boat.

Bearing in mind I'm not in a position to be in the $10k and up range, and that I'm not looking to get my money back either - what would the collective wisdom say about putting the money into my little Endevour to make her what I want rather than just moving on to a more expensive boat that will have more of what I'm looking for right now?
cisco
cisco
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1 Jul 2015 10:09pm

Do you love the boat????

If yes, let her teach you the lessons she has to give you.

If you buy another boat it is a certainty that you will be spending further money on it.

So!! Do you love the boat or put another way, have you loved it enough yet??
CanAussie14
CanAussie14
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48 posts
1 Jul 2015 8:25pm
cisco said..

Do you love the boat????

If yes, let her teach you the lessons she has to give you.

If you buy another boat it is a certainty that you will be spending further money on it.

So!! Do you love the boat or put another way, have you loved it enough yet??


Excellent answer! . I do love her, and your comment about letting her teach me the lessons she has to give resonates (as does spending money on another should I go that direction... lol)

Thanks.
cisco
cisco
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1 Jul 2015 10:40pm

You are welcome. I get plagued by procrastination sometimes and I hate it. Coming at things from a different angle often helps.
SandS
SandS
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1 Jul 2015 10:57pm
the moment you you take on a boat ,you are at the point of no return. forget it, and do what you need to do to enjoy sailing .

it will cost you less to sort out your existing boat i,m guessing ....... than purchase a new project .

LooseChange
LooseChange
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NSW, 2140 posts
1 Jul 2015 11:31pm
Divide the money spending into two categories, "Controllable" and "Non-Controllable". Things like anti fouling are obviously non-controllable as are things like engine repairs and rigging repairs. Things like wanting (needing) a new furler or a better, larger flat screen TV are completely controllable and your spending should reflect that.

You can always justify it to yourself using Reductio ad absurdum, or, reducing to the ridiculous, eg. if you spend $2000/year on your boat that sounds like a lot of money. But if you break that down to a monthly figure, it's now only $166 and if you break it down even further, say weekly, then it's only $38.50. So on a daily basis your boat now becomes really cheap to own, down to only $5.47 and lets face it, everyone can afford $5.47/day. Surely
Guitz
Guitz
VIC
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2 Jul 2015 8:54am
.......I like that reduction to the absurd....... down to a bit of loose change!
Franrick
Franrick
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289 posts
2 Jul 2015 7:11am
Hi CanAus,

I agree with all the previous comments but would also like to put something else into your mind.

The Endeavour 26 is just 2 foot longer than your 24, also a little beamier but once you get on one it will appear twice the size of the 24 footer.

They will sail exactly the same as the 24 but will give you a lot more room and comfort and a noticeable improvement in speed.. The 26's like the 24's are good value for money at the moment.

The 26 is an excellent boat to learn on, very forgiving and quite seaworthy and once you get a bit of experience you will quite comfortably be able to coastal cruise on one.

I'm certainly not knocking the 24's they are nice boats, but for just a little more money you could pick up a 26, possibly with a diesel inboard as a bonus.

I have raced on both the 24 and 26 Endeavours and coastal cruised a 26 all up and down the NSW coast. You will enjoy yourself, it's a great lifestyle.





Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
2 Jul 2015 9:24am
I owned an Endeavour 24 in the mid 70's, you can see a picture of her in my photos. I think if you have to buy a headsail furler then you are definitely overcapitalizing.

For the cost of a new headsail furler to suit your boat and the modification of a headsail to suit you can buy a better boat.

This boat will sell for less than the cost of a furler http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/YACHT-SLOOP-SAILBOAT-TRITON-721-24-FEET-INCLUDING-DINGHY-/181781830698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2a530a9c2a

It does not have a furler but plenty of good yachts are appearing on Gumtree and eBay that are fully equipted for less money than a furler.

If on the other hand you shop on eBay like I do you may find a secondhand unit to suit but generally the ones I see are for large yachts.

Milk bottle plastic makes a good shim for your rudder shaft. Don't use it till your on the slips though.
CanAussie14
CanAussie14
48 posts
48 posts
2 Jul 2015 10:04am
Thanks for the extra perspectives gents, much appreciated.

Loosechange, I totally get that approach, it's how I helped my wife see the wisdom of the initial purchase and subsequent improvements ;) I'm not worried about the cost per se, it's more on what Ramona wrote about overcapitalizing compared to what I could buy in a new [to me] boat. Just for context, I reckon I can put a furler on for a bit under $1k including the sail modification - does that tie in with the norm?

Franrick; well you've put the cat among the pigeons now... Notwithstanding Cisco's comments, and my reply, you've gotten me searching the interwebs to look at 26's ! Just for research purposes, of course... ;)

Oh, and Ramona, thanks for the tip abut the milk bottle plastic for the rudder - I'll look into that. Do you have any more info on that approach?
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
2 Jul 2015 6:52pm
CanAussie14 said..
Thanks for the extra perspectives gents, much appreciated.

Loosechange, I totally get that approach, it's how I helped my wife see the wisdom of the initial purchase and subsequent improvements ;) I'm not worried about the cost per se, it's more on what Ramona wrote about overcapitalizing compared to what I could buy in a new [to me] boat. Just for context, I reckon I can put a furler on for a bit under $1k including the sail modification - does that tie in with the norm?

Franrick; well you've put the cat among the pigeons now... Notwithstanding Cisco's comments, and my reply, you've gotten me searching the interwebs to look at 26's ! Just for research purposes, of course... ;)

Oh, and Ramona, thanks for the tip abut the milk bottle plastic for the rudder - I'll look into that. Do you have any more info on that approach?


The rudder tube just wears mainly at the top after 40 years or so. Cutting the plastic in widths just short of the circumference of the shaft and slipping them down from the top will act like a new bearing. You can do this at your mooring but you need to secure your rudder from slipping out and sinking to the bottom!
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