Purchase Price Vs Advertised Price

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Toph
Toph
WA
1889 posts
WA, 1889 posts
1 Aug 2016 3:13pm
As the title suggests, what's the average percentage difference?

I have just dropped the price of my boat by 30% of my original asking price which already was a reasonable price, and if that is enough to spark any interest, the offer no doubt will be lower again.

Obviously if I sell for less it isn't a real problem if the overall changeover price is the same i.e. I purchase for less (not a lesser valued boat, but the same boat bought at a lower price).

But what percentage drop would you consider too cheeky?
Trek
Trek
NSW
1215 posts
NSW, 1215 posts
1 Aug 2016 5:49pm

I think anything is "worth" what one can sell it for rather than what one believes or whats on the yacht broker pages.

The boats Ive sold were listed at 10% or 20% more than what I would actually take and allowed myself to be bargained down. Like cars except boats are special and our attachment to them increases their worth to us.

So unless one makes a bungle, if you wait long enough and finally sell it, the amount you sold it for is what is worth. So theres no problem., you got the right price.

If the first price you listed it for Toph was reasonable tough it out and don't drop the price any lower. Someone will come along who will appreciate what they see and pay the right amount.
Yara
Yara
NSW
1322 posts
NSW, 1322 posts
1 Aug 2016 8:09pm
As the old saying goes, it is worth what someone will pay for it. When you see boats on the market for years, with no sale, you can be sure the asking price is too high.
If you have a popular boat with high demand, and your price is in the right ballpark, it should sell within say, less than two to three months. If you need a quicker sale, then your price needs to be attractive, without the bargaining margin. Adding a bargaining margin just drags out the selling time. I see boats on the market with pricing out by a factor of 100%.

The WA market is different to the ES, with a smaller pool of buyers and sellers. From what I can see, this tends to polarise the pricing, exaggerating the price differential between the popular boats and the oddball ones. Similar effect in places like North Queensland.

Then of course, like many things in life, timing is important. You can be lucky and someone comes along who just wants your boat!
Andrew68
Andrew68
VIC
433 posts
VIC, 433 posts
1 Aug 2016 10:21pm
It really depends on how closely the actual state of the boat aligns with owners view.

The price eventually settled on my first boat was 21% of the asking price, because of defects that had been ignored by the owner. I think some the well cared for boats are selling close to their asking price, quite quickly.


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saintpeter
saintpeter
VIC
125 posts
VIC, 125 posts
1 Aug 2016 10:43pm
I just paid the whole asking price for my small yacht; and even that was high for the class! However I could see that I was getting a boat that was one owner, set up strongly from the first launch, meticulously maintained with a heap of spares, and most of all a veritable encyclopaedia of knowledge and advice. Happy days ahead!
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
1 Aug 2016 11:31pm
saintpeter said..
I just paid the whole asking price for my small yacht; and even that was high for the class! However I could see that I was getting a boat that was one owner, set up strongly from the first launch, meticulously maintained with a heap of spares, and most of all a veritable encyclopaedia of knowledge and advice. Happy days ahead!


its like a book its what inside
Toph
Toph
WA
1889 posts
WA, 1889 posts
2 Aug 2016 10:33am
I understand the "its only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it" mentality, and I understand that we also tend to put an 'emotional' value on it. I think in a lot of cases though (especially where powerboats are concerned), when the dollar was at parity a few years ago, the market was flooded with cheap American imports. This IMO dropped the @rse out of the market and we are along way from recovering from that.


saintpeter said..
I just paid the whole asking price for my small yacht; and even that was high for the class! However I could see that I was getting a boat that was one owner, set up strongly from the first launch, meticulously maintained with a heap of spares, and most of all a veritable encyclopaedia of knowledge and advice. Happy days ahead!



I think this depends on the asking price of the boat. 10% off a $10,000 might not be worth the hassle for some people (concede it may well be for others), but 10% off a $500,000 boat I would imagine is sizeable for everyone.

I don't need to sell my current tub to purchase the next. I will just need to re-evaluate a few things. And just one boat is enough. I really don't want two.

Thanks though for the responses.
Bruski068
Bruski068
VIC
457 posts
VIC, 457 posts
2 Aug 2016 12:56pm
It's called the law of supply and demand, naturally if you have a large supply but a low demand the product will be cheaper than if you have a small supply and a large demand, of course quality always makes a difference as well but probably not as much as it should in the actual price but more in the quickness of the sale.
Offthegrid
Offthegrid
WA
127 posts
WA, 127 posts
2 Aug 2016 2:19pm
As my salesman mate explained to me, it doesn't matter what the price is as long as you're getting enquiries. Each week/fortnight I dropped the price by $1000 until they started coming in. Once I reached that trigger price, I got 3 genuine offers and the price went up again,effectively to the highest bidder. Sold it 8% down on my original listing price and for exactly what I paid for it 5 years later on a yacht over $50k.

Bruski068
Bruski068
VIC
457 posts
VIC, 457 posts
3 Aug 2016 2:32pm
Offthegrid said..
As my salesman mate explained to me, it doesn't matter what the price is as long as you're getting enquiries. Each week/fortnight I dropped the price by $1000 until they started coming in. Once I reached that trigger price, I got 3 genuine offers and the price went up again,effectively to the highest bidder. Sold it 8% down on my original listing price and for exactly what I paid for it 5 years later on a yacht over $50k.


And this is why people dislike, distrust, hate, loathe, (pick your synonym) salespersons almost as much as they do politicians.

Offthegrid
Offthegrid
WA
127 posts
WA, 127 posts
3 Aug 2016 1:32pm
What does my outcome have to do with sales people Bruski?
I wasnt getting any nibbles so he gave me a strategy to get buyers my way! nothing more. The price went up because I only had time to take them sailing on one day and they all wanted it when we got back in. Two of them are mates and sail together now. The buyer doesn't know what I paid ( and to be truthful neither do I over the years :), but it's simple really, no enquires, no sale! regardless of price Or who suggested it to me. If you know the traits of salespeople why are they an issue for you or do they eventually mentally overpower you? If you're thinking I lowballed them, well you're all mixed up because my price started high and came down until it was a) in the price range of comparable yachts and b) I had silly and emotional money on it and I needed to reflect the economic conditions we now find ourselves in over here in the west.

You're response doesn't make sense and is stupid ..... (Pick any synonym you like :) )

Offthegrid
Offthegrid
WA
127 posts
WA, 127 posts
3 Aug 2016 3:26pm
Bruski068 said..
It's called the law of supply and demand, naturally if you have a large supply but a low demand the product will be cheaper than if you have a small supply and a large demand, of course quality always makes a difference as well but probably not as much as it should in the actual price but more in the quickness of the sale.


This is exactly what happened to me mate. One yacht, 3 buyers. I just accepted the highest offer on the day. Nothing to do with sales people tactics. I'm not one but my best mate is So take offence at the silly remarks you make when all along what happened in my case, is exactly what you describe! Go figure...
Bruski068
Bruski068
VIC
457 posts
VIC, 457 posts
3 Aug 2016 7:33pm
I have been a salesman and had to give it up as I couldn't stand the tactics salespeople are forced to employ by their employers, so I actually wasn't having a go at salespeople, I was merely commenting on why people in general dislike and distrust them, sorry if you got the wrong impression, just because I know how to do something, and can talk the talk, doesn't mean I feel it's the right way to do things, I know many people who are honest in their dealings with sales, however like most things it's the few dishonest salespeople and their employers that give the rest a bad name.
P.S and yes the way I read your post I did think you had low balled them to get the interest then pushed the price back up on the buyers, something that I think even you would have to admit is dirty pool.
Also I absolutely refuse to get into name calling contest I out grew that in primary school.
Offthegrid
Offthegrid
WA
127 posts
WA, 127 posts
3 Aug 2016 5:50pm
Yes low balling is very cunning and not something I condone at all. same with high balling. In my case, 4 of us sat in the cockpit at the end of the sail and I said get back to me if you're interested as we tidied up. They all gave an offer immediately And they started their own auction there and then! I'm mates with the new owner, he's still stoked with the yacht 12 months later and we often go out in his and my boat. No nasties my end but yes I agree, low and high balling is ****e.
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