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nzmal
nzmal
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23 Jan 2015 6:46pm
Hi everyone,
Mal from the bottom of NZ here. I'm looking currently at buying a bigger trailer yacht (currently sailing a Noelex 22). It will mainly be used for family holidays cruising coastal and inland lakes.
I've found a Roberts 25 in Auckland that sparks my interest but these are pretty rare in NZ and an unknown to me.
I've found a couple of articles relating to them on the web and it looks like they are more common over in Aus. Can anyone give me a perspective on these yachts?
I appreciate that they may be home built to plans and differ markedly but advice from an owner would be most appreciated.
My wife and I have plans to buy a keeler inn a few years and cruise the pacific and I'm thinking this Roberts may be a nice step in the right direction and capable of some small coastal passages that will help us gain more experience.
I've attached the link to the listing below
www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=828060182


Thanks in advance.

Mal
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
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QLD, 880 posts
23 Jan 2015 10:40pm
Hi Mal, welcome to forum. You right, Many Roberts 25 were build here.
Large quantity was sold as a shell with two option of two cabins.
You see many different interiors. Roberts is not popular choice.
Bay cruiser..calm weather...long weekend is ok.
Belive, shell was strongly build, but for offshore, wouldn't touch it.
cisco
cisco
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23 Jan 2015 10:50pm
Mal, you have a Noelex 22. Why would you not go to a Noelex 25 or 30?

The Noelexes were designed by Bruce Farr I believe, a designer of some note.

I don't think anybody really knows who actually designed the "Roberts 25". What I do know is that they are generally regarded as a dunger of a boat. Even in NZ $16,000 should get you a whole lot better yacht than a Roberts 25.

This would be a whole lot better yacht to own for $4,000 less.

http://www.nzboatsales.com/listings.cfm/product/alan-wright-tracker

Alan Wright is a Kiwi yacht designing legend. I have a big sister to the Tracker which is a Lotus 9.2. It is my 7th yacht and I think the best yacht I have owned, above two 34 foot yachts and more practical than the 42 foot yacht I had.
cisco
cisco
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23 Jan 2015 10:54pm

Only buy a Roberts yacht if you intend owning it for the rest of your life. Experienced yachtsmen don't go near them. They are hard to sell.
LooseChange
LooseChange
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24 Jan 2015 12:01am
cisco said..
Mal, you have a Noelex 22. Why would you not go to a Noelex 25 or 30?

The Noelexes were designed by Bruce Farr I believe, a designer of some note.

I don't think anybody really knows who actually designed the "Roberts 25". What I do know is that they are generally regarded as a dunger of a boat. Even in NZ $16,000 should get you a whole lot better yacht than a Roberts 25.

This would be a whole lot better yacht to own for $4,000 less.

http://www.nzboatsales.com/listings.cfm/product/alan-wright-tracker

Alan Wright is a Kiwi yacht designing legend. I have a big sister to the Tracker which is a Lotus 9.2. It is my 7th yacht and I think the best yacht I have owned, above two 34 foot yachts and more practical than the 42 foot yacht I had.


Just how is he supposed to fit that on a trailer? He did say in his post he wants a trailer boat.
cisco
cisco
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23 Jan 2015 11:32pm
LooseChange said..

Just how is he supposed to fit that on a trailer? He did say in his post he wants a trailer boat.


Well you would have to be pretty game to put a Roberts 25 on a trailer.
LooseChange
LooseChange
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24 Jan 2015 12:46am
cisco said..

LooseChange said..

Just how is he supposed to fit that on a trailer? He did say in his post he wants a trailer boat.



Well you would have to be pretty game to put a Roberts 25 on a trailer.


Sorry, I don't understand your comment, the Roberts he's looking at, is on a trailer.
While I wouldn't want to own one I guess lots of people out there do own them.
nzmal
nzmal
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24 Jan 2015 5:22am
OK thanks... so I'm going cold on the Roberts 25 fast. What exactly is the problem with them?
Noelex 25s sell for 30k here and I don't want to spend that. Gazelle sell around 12k. .. any comments on these?
Ramona
Ramona
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24 Jan 2015 9:53am
nzmal said..
OK thanks... so I'm going cold on the Roberts 25 fast. What exactly is the problem with them?
Noelex 25s sell for 30k here and I don't want to spend that. Gazelle sell around 12k. .. any comments on these?


I don't think we had the Noelex 22 in Australia though we have plenty of 25's. The Roberts 25 are enormous boats to be trailering about and with that windage I would hate to be recovering one onto a trailer on a breezy ramp. 25 feet yachts are an awkward size, too big for easily trailering and just a bit small for a fixed keeler. Roberts tried for full headroom in the 25 and this just made for a sailing caravan. I have not sailed a Noelex 25 but raced against them and they are indeed very impressive boats. I would reckon if your intent on trailering, stick with the 22 and if you decide to go bigger, go straight to a "name" brand 28-30 footer fixed keel. Remember trailer boats are limited to 8' 2" beams!
Whangas
Whangas
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24 Jan 2015 7:26am
Hi mate, I'm up north and sail a tracker now but spent sometime around trailer yachts when I lived in Canterbury.

it really depends on what you want in a boat... for a race machine and a lively but safe trailer yacht the N22 is hard to beat even by much larger boats. Space inside is pretty limited though.

The Gazelles both MK 1 and 2 are top boats, a MK 1 (starlight) took a family right around nz. Slightly smaller inside than the n25 but only barely, slightly quicker and usually cheaper.

Also on the list for larger cruising trailer yachts should be the young 780 and the Trojan. Trojans are very spacious and can be had for a very good price usually.

i'd highly recommend the Aquarius 22 for what you are after, way more room than the n22, handle well and you should find a tidy one for circa 10k. Easier to tow than the slightly bigger but much heavier 25 ft boats. That's a pretty important consideration if you are hauling up to the alpine lakes.

the other one to look at is the Catalina 7.

if you google nztya, they have a page with info on most boats and handicap info so you can compare speed and SRI.

good that you've gone cold on the Roberts 25, there are much better boats for the $$$ out there.

good luck
Whangas
Whangas
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24 Jan 2015 7:41am
Forgot to add that while diesels are great, the cost of buying and running an outboard in the 5-9 hp range is probably a better way to go. Most towns have outboard mechanics or the local motorbike shop can often do basic stuff on them or even DIY. Marine diesel mechanics are a bit harder to find.


i've got a diesel in the tracker (bukh dv10) and when it dies I'm looking at $7k to re power vs $2k for an outboard. With a TY in NZ you tend to drive close to where you sail and I only really used the motor for mooring or retrieving. in the keeler the diesel is used a fair bit more. It's great and reliable but takes up space and adds weight.

just another thing thing to weigh up.
nzmal
nzmal
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24 Jan 2015 7:42am
Thanks
the boat really needs to be trailer able to suit us and bigger than our Noelex 22. Keeler would be nice but we sail lakes a lot and fairly limited in coastal sailing around Dunedin.
We have a Nissan patrol so towing isn't such a problem. The 22 is unbraked on a single axle trailer so I'm expecting tandem axle braked to travel more smoothly...
looking at a gazelle next week now.
I'd like something I could sail down to Stewart Island...
Whangas
Whangas
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12 posts
24 Jan 2015 8:09am
A Gazelle will do it. They are good looking boats too.
papabear
papabear
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25 Jan 2015 2:01pm
Hi anyone on this forum actually own a roberts 25 other than me? We are very happy with ours. All boats are a compromise though and yes they are a bit slow especially below 10 knots and can be a bit rolly especially in a chop but we only sail in the ocean as we live on the Sunshine Coast. She is fine to sail to moreton bay. of course not suitable to cross and ocean. And I would not trailer her either.

come on all you "floating caravan" owners where's the passion for eh boat you have bought and love
nswsailor
nswsailor
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25 Jan 2015 9:46pm
A mate two moorings up from me had one but he sold it
cisco
cisco
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26 Jan 2015 2:11am

There is one anchored about three boats to leeward of my yacht in the Burnett Heads boat basin. I have never seen anybody on it ever.
It looks neat and is probably a production model.

It is just as soon as you attach the word "Roberts" to a yacht, it is a fair indication it will be a dog to sail.
nzmal
nzmal
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26 Jan 2015 5:23am
Ok so now I'm looking at a Gazelle... but there again isn't a heap of information in NZ. I know they were marketed in Aust.... started new thread on this model with deck fix query.
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