Running backstays required??

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MRPAPY
MRPAPY
VIC
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VIC, 45 posts
28 Jan 2013 9:20pm
Hi everyone

I just purchased my first boat, a 1963 28ft dragon class. It has running backstays in position. I am curious to know if they can be removed or are they required for extra mast support in strong winds?
I believe they can increase performance when used properly? How exactly do they increase sail performance?
Basically I am just wanting to do some weekend sailing for fun not looking to get into racing so performance is not that important at this stage. I would prefer to deciliter the cockpit and keep things basic while still learning if they are not required for mast support.

rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
28 Jan 2013 10:56pm
According to this http://www.afsid.org/DragonManual-Aus.pdf they are there for forestay tensioning and not keeping the mast in the boat.

That said, if learning in a Dragon the headsail is pretty big so I would personally be tempted to get a headsail cut down (must be plenty of 2nd hand ones going cheap) to use the same sheeting position to make it easier for just cruising.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
29 Jan 2013 8:53am
Sounds like the mahogany Dragon off eBay. I would be inclined to leave it as it is. All those controls are there for a reason and even if you are learning, if there are two sailboats visible they are racing!
Poodle
Poodle
WA
868 posts
WA, 868 posts
29 Jan 2013 10:13am
Ramona said...
if there are two sailboats visible they are racing!


True!!!

MRPAPY
MRPAPY
VIC
45 posts
VIC, 45 posts
29 Jan 2013 2:31pm
Thanks for the very useful link rumblefish!! My main concern was that if i do not use the runners there will be undue loads on the mast at the deck which it states can be the case. Seeing as i am only going to be sailing in light winds for a while i am still thinking about removing them and putting them back on later in the year. They really do get in the way when in the cockpit and i am just cruising. I also read that using the runners helps eliminate pumping of the mast. i have only used it in light winds so far and couldnt notice any significant movement or pressure on the mast.

Romana: no it is not the one on ebay i actually purchased off a fellow seabreezer. Thank you for the advice much appreciated. You are probably right but i prefer simplicity and less ropes in the cockpit so if it is possible to remove them without jeopardizing the strength of the mast or deck i would prefer at this stage.

Thanks again guys.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7757 posts
NSW, 7757 posts
30 Jan 2013 8:58am
I'm amazed the Dragon on eBay has not sold. $30,000 worth of mahogany shaped into a lovely boat, rigging and a road trailer, sails.

$4,500. Wish I had more space.
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
30 Jan 2013 3:39pm
Ramona said...
I'm amazed the Dragon on eBay has not sold. $30,000 worth of mahogany shaped into a lovely boat, rigging and a road trailer, sails.

$4,500. Wish I had more space.


Actually it's not worth $30.000, in fact it's not even $4,500 otherwise it would have sold long ago. I do however agree with you that it is a lovely looking boat, Dragons and Tumlaren are just the most gorgeous boats.
whiteout
whiteout
QLD
269 posts
QLD, 269 posts
30 Jan 2013 4:02pm
I am a yacht mast designer and have built a few dragon masts in my time and wish to advise you that in light airs below 10 knots in sheltered waters it is ok to take them forward and secure them. but in heavier winds use them or you will invert the mast.
MRPAPY
MRPAPY
VIC
45 posts
VIC, 45 posts
1 Feb 2013 11:02am
whiteout said...
I am a yacht mast designer and have built a few dragon masts in my time and wish to advise you that in light airs below 10 knots in sheltered waters it is ok to take them forward and secure them. but in heavier winds use them or you will invert the mast.


Thanks whiteout i think i will be keeping the backstays after reading your advice
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