Rust stains in gelcoat

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theselkie
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3 Jul 2015 6:09pm
Does anyone know of a way/product for getting rust stains out of gelcoat?
frant
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3 Jul 2015 6:23pm
Oxalic acid or buy it in a bottle at the marine store as some aptly named gelcoat stain remover probably "boatsmart" or similar. Follow instructions and it works like a treat. Then cut badly oxidised gelcoat with a cutting compound. (Farecla #10 for badly oxidised surface). Follow up with a UV wax and polish. Following the initial heavy cut with compound the surface can be maintained with regular application of UV wax and or polish with a combined cutting wax product.
Lots of internet advice but only one sure fire method of getting a truly deep shine is the old "elbow grease" product of course and you can't buy that in a marine store.
theselkie
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3 Jul 2015 6:26pm
thanks frant

Is it obtainable from somewhere like Bunnings?
Ramona
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3 Jul 2015 6:29pm
theselkie said..
Does anyone know of a way/product for getting rust stains out of gelcoat?


Presume you mean off gelcoat. I use a product called "Metal Gleam", it's a mixture of acids. Most people use oxallic acid. Either just oxallic acid diluted in water, sometimes mixed with wallpaper glue to make a paste so it stays on the side of the boat longer. You can also use other products that contain oxallic acid. Just slop it on with a sponge or brush, leave 3 or 4 minutes and hose off.
frant
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3 Jul 2015 6:41pm
theselkie said..
thanks frant

Is it obtainable from somewhere like Bunnings?


Do you mean the stain remover acid products, the polishing compounds or the "elbow grease". For an attractive woman elbow grease can probably be obtained in cans. Maybe a six pack of cold beer cans, but you have to make sure it is not distributed until after the work is done, otherwise absolutely no "elbow grease" will be available.
theselkie
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3 Jul 2015 7:56pm
Haha....I mean the acid products
HG02
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3 Jul 2015 10:25pm
Ive used Jif cream cleanser on some stains
My old boat didnt get the attention she deserved before i bought her the previous owner was getting on in years
It removed a lot of oxidition aswell
As the stains
SandS
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3 Jul 2015 10:38pm

I have had sucsess with Jif as well HG . Good stuff !
frant
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3 Jul 2015 10:44pm
Congratulations HG and Sands. I have had success cleaning my toilet with Jiff also.
SandS
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3 Jul 2015 10:56pm
I,m surprised your toilet gets stained frant , I,m sure there is no odour .........
frant
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3 Jul 2015 11:10pm
Avoid thread drift Sands. Jiff is a toilet cleaning product. Rust stains actually soak into porous gel coat and need to be removed with an acid product from within the gel coat pores.
Rubbing with a cutting compound (and Jiff is merely an overpriced household version of a fine cutting compound) merely removes the gel coat and surface stain but not the embedded stain.
To remove rust stains it is imperative to acid wash prior to cutting and application of wax.
theselkie deserves the respect of sound advice.
Jolene
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3 Jul 2015 9:15pm
The Guy in the la Vagabonde sailing blog recommended a product for cleaning rust stains.



HG02
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4 Jul 2015 6:53am
Well some where in seabreeE therws a before and after photo on my result in scubbing thr deck with Jif and there was a remarkable difference afterwards
It is after all an abrasive paste plus a bleach
As somone said when i asked the same question in seabreeze before i used it
Its all a matter of what you happen to find that works for you and your boat
I tried acid but it didnt do much
For my application
theselkie
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4 Jul 2015 1:14pm
Perhaps this should be posted in the 'Romance' thread, for I am IN LOVE!!!!

Sorry HG, but I did give Jif a try and it did remove the rust from the flat surfaces but not from the in-built non-skid areas in the gelcoat.

Bought a Rust Stain Remover and, omg, it worked!!!!

I'm taking Mr RSR out for dinner tonight
bubble7777
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4 Jul 2015 8:37pm
oxiylic acid in its raw form and without the massive boat price tag

www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-2kg-rust-and-stain-cleaner_p0960276

water it down a bit becase it is in its raw form.

on the subject of rust stains I bought a litre of spotless stainless rust cleaner and used it on my stanchions.

it is absolutely awesome. im still shocked at how well it works. highly recommended .just brush it on wait, don't let it dry so go around dabbing more on. then wash it off. all done and nice and shiny.


Datawiz
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4 Jul 2015 8:52pm
Hi bubbles,
Can you elaborate on the "spotless stainless rust cleaner " - what's it called, where did you get it, etc?
Regards,
Allan
LooseChange
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4 Jul 2015 9:12pm
It is called "Spotless Stainless, Rust Remover and Protector" comes in 1 pint $27.5 or 1 quart $45.65 size containters plus $13.40 shipping ...... next ....

..... ring this man ..... Peter Moore on 0406 081 171 ... he will tell you more ..... or, just go here ......

http://spotlessstainless.com.au/spotless_stainless_sales.php
bubble7777
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4 Jul 2015 10:19pm

isLooseChange said..

It is called "Spotless Stainless, Rust Remover and Protector" comes in 1 pint $27.5 or 1 quart $45.65 size containters plus $13.40 shipping ...... next ....

..... ring this man ..... Peter Moore on 0406 081 171 ... he will tell you more ..... or, just go here ......

http://spotlessstainless.com.au/spotless_stainless_sales.php



yup that's the stuff. a picture of some cleaning from last week. it had the usual many years worth of surface rust on it prior to using spotless. im more impressed with how little effort is required compared to other products and it gets into all the gaps which are impossible to get into with rubbing

Datawiz
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4 Jul 2015 11:32pm
Thanks LC :)
Ramona
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LooseChange said..
It is called "Spotless Stainless, Rust Remover and Protector" comes in 1 pint $27.5 or 1 quart $45.65 size containters plus $13.40 shipping ...... next ....

..... ring this man ..... Peter Moore on 0406 081 171 ... he will tell you more ..... or, just go here ......

http://spotlessstainless.com.au/spotless_stainless_sales.php


That's probably Metal gleam in a different label. Nowra chemicals make all that stuff for all the big name brands. Metal gleam was about $45 for 20 litres. Use about 10% diluted in water. Still have a few litres left if you want to try.
bubble7777
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5 Jul 2015 10:05am
Ramona said..


LooseChange said..
It is called "Spotless Stainless, Rust Remover and Protector" comes in 1 pint $27.5 or 1 quart $45.65 size containters plus $13.40 shipping ...... next ....

..... ring this man ..... Peter Moore on 0406 081 171 ... he will tell you more ..... or, just go here ......

http://spotlessstainless.com.au/spotless_stainless_sales.php




That's probably Metal gleam in a different label. Nowra chemicals make all that stuff for all the big name brands. Metal gleam was about $45 for 20 litres. Use about 10% diluted in water. Still have a few litres left if you want to try.



interesting.

do you know what acid it is using. the data sheet does not have the ingredients listed. how viscous is it? will it sit on vertical surfaces.. and what have the results been like?

ok I found the info..

it contains Phosphoric Acid <10%.

Ingredients: CAS No:

Phosphoric Acid 30 - 60%
Nonyl Phenol Ethoxylate < 10%
Water 20 - 80%

spotless is citric acid I think

don't know which would be better
samsturdy
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5 Jul 2015 10:27am
bubble7777 said..
oxiylic acid in its raw form and without the massive boat price tag

www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-2kg-rust-and-stain-cleaner_p0960276

water it down a bit becase it is in its raw form.

on the subject of rust stains I bought a litre of spotless stainless rust cleaner and used it on my stanchions.

it is absolutely awesome. im still shocked at how well it works. highly recommended .just brush it on wait, don't let it dry so go around dabbing more on. then wash it off. all done and nice and shiny.




Bubble, are you talking about actual rust on your stanchions or 'tea stains'.???
bubble7777
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5 Jul 2015 10:12pm
samsturdy said..

bubble7777 said..
oxiylic acid in its raw form and without the massive boat price tag

www.bunnings.com.au/diggers-2kg-rust-and-stain-cleaner_p0960276

water it down a bit becase it is in its raw form.

on the subject of rust stains I bought a litre of spotless stainless rust cleaner and used it on my stanchions.

it is absolutely awesome. im still shocked at how well it works. highly recommended .just brush it on wait, don't let it dry so go around dabbing more on. then wash it off. all done and nice and shiny.





Bubble, are you talking about actual rust on your stanchions or 'tea stains'.???


bit of both.

I made the mistake of polishing the surface by using a soft wire wheel on a dremmel about 15 months ago. failing to listen to every bit of knowledge that says don't do such a thing on stainless.

the real solid rust takes two applications to remove and I kept going round layering the goo on until it was quite thick.

it defiantly citric as I got a bit in my mouth and it tasted like citric acid.
LooseChange
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5 Jul 2015 11:45pm
In very small doses just about every acid tastes like citric, it's the burn in the mouth you associate with citric, not having tasted any other acid.
rumblefish
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6 Jul 2015 11:07am
I have used Peter G's Kleen-A-Hull in the pas and will do again this on my cheap Etchell that i brought earlier this year and just pulled out for a clean up and some maintenance.

Will post before and after pics.
PhilY
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6 Jul 2015 12:21pm
I'll second the PeterGs Kleen a Hull. I used 250ml or 1/4 of a one litre bottle on the Adams 10 topsides. Worked a treat. Best to do when boat is slipped and being gurneyed[sp]. Wipe on with rag and wash off with fresh as you don't want the acid to stay on the topsides.

Available at Whitworths and most good chandleries.
rumblefish
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31 Aug 2015 8:42am
Hey all,

Promised to post pics in this thread a while back and finally did the job using Peter G's Kleen-A-Hull.

There were rust stains all round the boat but the pic shows the worst of it and how it cleaned up. Bottle said 10:1, I probably went a bit stronger than that but for $30 for a bottle (which I used half of) the result was fantastic.






cisco
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31 Aug 2015 9:31am

Sweet!!
theselkie
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31 Aug 2015 5:59pm
Lovely
sirgallivant
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31 Aug 2015 7:15pm
Oxalic is available in crystal form too. We used to clean leather with it before painting it. You can make your own dilution in any strength required.

Only one warning: take care not to let your antifoul come into contact with any acid when you hose it off. The acid is going to kill your antifoul in no time.

I found, phosphoric acid works better on ss.

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