Seacock thread sealant

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5knotsisbest
5knotsisbest
TAS
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22 Jul 2020 5:30pm
Im replacing seacock onto male thru hull and teflon tape was used previously i think. The seacock will need to be aligned to allow operation so i cant just tighten down to the end. Searching had a wide array of differing opinions. Tape again? Teflon paste ? Sika sealant. ? Any advice appreciated. Cheers
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
NSW, 7756 posts
22 Jul 2020 5:56pm
If we are talking bronze fittings consider Loctite 577.
Harb
Harb
WA
226 posts
WA, 226 posts
22 Jul 2020 4:00pm
Automotive RTV gasket maker would be my choice.
r13
r13
NSW
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r13 r13
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22 Jul 2020 6:41pm
Good info here - for sure wouldn't use thread tape.

forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/sealing-seacock-to-skin-fitting.452834/

Loctite 572 is recommended see here tech data

www.henkel-adhesives.com/us/en/product/thread-sealants/loctite_572.html

Another link here mentions Loctite 577 as per Ramona but this is a lot faster curing.............

forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/seacocks-what-sealant-to-use.286447/

Check that the threads of the skin fitting and seacock are compatible - there are straight and tapered threads as per the above links.
5knotsisbest
5knotsisbest
TAS
42 posts
TAS, 42 posts
22 Jul 2020 7:27pm
Thanks all for quick response. Seacock is 316 and the loctite and gasket options looked preferable. I would like to remove in the future without grief. I think both of these would be fine. Cheers.
woko
woko
NSW
1802 posts
NSW, 1802 posts
22 Jul 2020 9:03pm
I recently used the locktite 577 with ss fittings on the wet exhaust,one elbow was 3/4 of a turn from being tight, I had doubts but turned out good as gold. And as a side benefit it lubes while your doing bits up and avoids galling.
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
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22 Jul 2020 8:44pm
Careful consideration should be taken in sealing 316 threads. I have found that crevice corrosion seems or can be,,very difficult to stop using thread sealants. I have seen fittings that have had their threads eaten away over a very short period of time. Some even have a fissure that start in the thread and then run through the main mass of metal.
The telltale sign is the rust stain running or bubbling on the fitting from a very tiny weep .
This corrosion seems to occur more when the thread sealant is relied upon to fix the fitting in a particular position without preloading the threads. I have fort a loosing battle with one particular 316 fitting on a boat so next time I'm going for a softer compound like Fixtech 15 to seal the thread . What ever you do, if it's 316,,, keep an eye on it!!
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
NSW, 7756 posts
23 Jul 2020 8:59am
5knotsisbest said..
Thanks all for quick response. Seacock is 316 and the loctite and gasket options looked preferable. I would like to remove in the future without grief. I think both of these would be fine. Cheers.


Loctite 577 takes 72 hours to cure with stainless steel fully but that is for extreme pressures. Cure time varies depending on the metals involved. 577 is not cheap so maybe a visit to Bunnings and check their range.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
23 Jul 2020 9:58am
Stag Jointing Paste should do the job OK.
Karsten
Karsten
NSW
331 posts
NSW, 331 posts
23 Jul 2020 11:30am
woko said..
.... on the wet exhaust,one elbow was 3/4 of a turn from being tight.....


That's something I've always wondered but never could get a straight answer to:
When you use a thread locker (or sealant) that ONLY sets when it is exposed to metal, what happens if your fitting is screwed in only loosely, so the metal threads are further apart than if they were fully tightened.
Anyone know with certainty (not speculating) whether those types of thread locker/sealant may never fully set?
r13
r13
NSW
1721 posts
r13 r13
NSW, 1721 posts
23 Jul 2020 6:46pm
Good idea to get a straight answer - suggest call Loctite direct for a straight answer without any speculation. I can't imagine any Loctite thread locker/sealant not fully setting if the seacock was not fully tightened down to the thru hull - as long as we are talking about less than a turn - these products are designed with a contact gap range obviously.............but I shouldn't speculate.

www.henkel-adhesives.com/au/en/product/thread-sealants/loctite_577.html

www.henkel-adhesives.com/au/en/about/contact-us.html

Of course the issue of stainless threads galling needs to be managed - would check with Loctite that 577 assists in avoiding this also. I assume it does but shouldn't..........

www.assda.asn.au/images/PDFs/faq%20no5%20galling.pdf
woko
woko
NSW
1802 posts
NSW, 1802 posts
23 Jul 2020 7:27pm
I purchased the 577 when doing the job only after searching the like of repco an engineering works and of course the pump shop in Yamba that supplied the ss elbow, union, nipple, tails and the approved hose ( if it sound like a plug it is they have every sort of hose and fitting I have ever needed but no thread sealant ? ) anyway got some 577 from a tractor place, it was an oldish tube and the attendant wasn't sure it was what I needed, so when I got back on board it googled ok so I set to work with it, I let it set for a week and the engine has done 60 hrs since no probs so far. It's not a big green shed sort of product, far more industrial like sugar mills and sewerage plants.
it has defiantly set, that's not speculation
r13
r13
NSW
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r13 r13
NSW, 1721 posts
23 Jul 2020 7:46pm
Good one woko am sure 577 is the product that will defiantly and definitely set. Would still recommend calling Loctite as regards avoiding thread galling on the ss seacock.
woko
woko
NSW
1802 posts
NSW, 1802 posts
23 Jul 2020 11:41pm
Gotta love spell check
Jolene
Jolene
WA
1624 posts
WA, 1624 posts
24 Jul 2020 4:25am
Loctite and thread lockers do prevent galling
They also are an anaerobic compound so they cure due to a lack of oxygen in the bond sequence.
boty
boty
QLD
685 posts
QLD, 685 posts
24 Jul 2020 7:40am
Ramona said..
If we are talking bronze fittings consider Loctite 577.


definetly
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7756 posts
NSW, 7756 posts
24 Jul 2020 8:30am
Jolene said..
Loctite and thread lockers do prevent galling
They also are an anaerobic compound so they cure due to a lack of oxygen in the bond sequence.


Yes that's weird and hard to get the head around. I used 577 3 days ago on aluminium threads in a fuel system. The spreader stick I used is still sticky and the bit of steel I spread a test sample on is too. I know the threads have sealed but it still comes down to faith!
Crusoe
Crusoe
QLD
1197 posts
QLD, 1197 posts
24 Jul 2020 6:42pm
Jolene said..
Careful consideration should be taken in sealing 316 threads. I have found that crevice corrosion seems or can be,,very difficult to stop using thread sealants. I have seen fittings that have had their threads eaten away over a very short period of time. Some even have a fissure that start in the thread and then run through the main mass of metal.
The telltale sign is the rust stain running or bubbling on the fitting from a very tiny weep .
This corrosion seems to occur more when the thread sealant is relied upon to fix the fitting in a particular position without preloading the threads. I have fort a loosing battle with one particular 316 fitting on a boat so next time I'm going for a softer compound like Fixtech 15 to seal the thread . What ever you do, if it's 316,,, keep an eye on it!!


I had some special 316 stainless nipples (10mm wall) made up which I welded into the hull of my boat and then fitted S/Steel ball valves to them. Unfortunately I specified 'straight' instead of "tapered" thread to be turned on to the outside of the nipples and had the same issue of getting the handle of the ball valve to stay in a certain position. I tried sealant paste but as it never dries the valve rotated when touched. I ended up using a thick thread tape that enabled me to screw the ball valve on quite firmly to the position I wanted it to stay.

Yes, crevice corrosion is something to be aware of. It relies on the lack of oxygen in an electrolyte (salt water) to have its evil way with your fittings. As long as the fittings are not sitting in stagnate bilge water (where they should be dry) inside your boat or there is no stagnate water trapped in the thread, you should be okay. It also pays to use (have water flow through) your fittings. I only had 4 of these fittings in the boat. Engine intake, deck wash, kitchen in and kitchen sink out. They were all used regularly so no chance of oxygen starved water in them. My shower water was pumped to a cockpit drain above the waterline and the head discharge was above the water line (under the stern) as well. But as Jolene said, keep an eye on them. This goes for any skin fitting as the silicon bronze fittings and valves that were originally used in my hull weren't without their own set of problems. Cheers
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