Standing Rigging cost

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DeltaDiver
DeltaDiver
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19 Oct 2015 7:36pm
Hi, I'm looking at buying a 70' Cat, are few of the stays on the 20 meter mast needs replacing. Can anyone suggest a general costs of the job?
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
19 Oct 2015 9:49pm

Yes. Many thousands of $$$$.

The only definitive answer you will get is from a rigging shop. A 70 foot cat is going to have some fairly sophisticated rigging which if not done right will cost many more thousands of $$$$.

The answer to your question I think does not lie in this forum.

By the way, welcome to the forum. We hope you will stay a while and have some positive inputs that we may learn from.

Cheers Cisco.
DeltaDiver
DeltaDiver
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2 posts
20 Oct 2015 4:38pm
Yeh, that's great thank you.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
20 Oct 2015 9:06pm
Not a great comparison but the standing rig on my S&S34 sloop will be about $6000. My guess is you will be up for $20-30,000.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
20 Oct 2015 9:34pm
MorningBird said..
Not a great comparison but the standing rig on my S&S34 sloop will be about $6000. My guess is you will be up for $20-30,000.


Is that with Chinese wire or Korean Morning bird?
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
20 Oct 2015 9:43pm
HG02 said...
MorningBird said..
Not a great comparison but the standing rig on my S&S34 sloop will be about $6000. My guess is you will be up for $20-30,000.


Is that with Chinese wire or Korean Morning bird?

From Joe Walsh in Woolwich. He does great work at reasonable prices, one of the best reputations in Sydney. Admittedly he gave me this price a couple of years ago but inflation is low.
What would you expect HG?
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
20 Oct 2015 10:21pm
MorningBird said..

HG02 said...

MorningBird said..
Not a great comparison but the standing rig on my S&S34 sloop will be about $6000. My guess is you will be up for $20-30,000.



Is that with Chinese wire or Korean Morning bird?


From Joe Walsh in Woolwich. He does great work at reasonable prices, one of the best reputations in Sydney. Admittedly he gave me this price a couple of years ago but inflation is low.
What would you expect HG?


Just some one explained to me that not much Japanese wires come to Oz any more far to expensive the choice appears is Chinese lower cost or Korean higher cost
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
20 Oct 2015 10:00pm

When it comes to rigging it is not about cost. It is about quality.

I believe the place in Japan where quality stainless steel wire was produced got destroyed in the Tsunami.

The Koreans picked the ball up and ran with it.

The Chinese still do not have their heads wrapped around the concept of quality. Cheap, cheap, cheap is ingrained in their personality. I think they lack imagination mostly.
Toph
Toph
WA
1886 posts
WA, 1886 posts
20 Oct 2015 9:42pm
I think the Chinese produce some remarkably good quality stuff.. Yes there are a million knock off shops that produce junk, but don't think all Chinese products lack quality..

I am talking in general terms and not specific products such as SS rigging...
Yara
Yara
NSW
1322 posts
NSW, 1322 posts
21 Oct 2015 6:10am
Toph said..
I think the Chinese produce some remarkably good quality stuff.. Yes there are a million knock off shops that produce junk, but don't think all Chinese products lack quality..

I am talking in general terms and not specific products such as SS rigging...


The biggest problem with Chinese products is the quality of the materials. Metals are very difficult to judge quality unless you are an expert, and almost every day I personally encounter Chinese lookalike products which have failed through material quality. Just this week I examined a failed "stainless steel" component and discovered that there was an internal hole in the metal which caused failure.
Rigging is just too critical to take a risk on.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
21 Oct 2015 6:08am
Hi Delta
Also who or where it is done. Roberts 25 new rigging in SA, 12k.
Currently I am waiting for new / rigging , 8 m mast/ in Yeppoon, 16 k.
Mast was ordered in March and currently is on its way , I was told. ...speedy job isn't it...
dralyagmas
dralyagmas
SA
380 posts
SA, 380 posts
21 Oct 2015 7:03am
12k for a 25ft boat? Did that include the mast as well?

I just did my 37 ft sloop for 6k.

Can't praise Joe Walsh and his team enough they were great
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
21 Oct 2015 8:47am
Biggest cost factor in rigging replacement is labour.

I just replaced all the rigging on a Benny 40 for $6k but $2k of that was labour as there was some major unforseen issues with the removal of the old wires (including taking 4 hours to release 4 turnbuckles that has seized!)
It was also tough because the boat was 200k from me and I had to go on customer pics and info only.
That said he only paid 4 cartons of beer for the crane as there was one onsite at the YC doing other work.
In reality if the boat was closer to me and it all went well we could of easily completed the job in a day, less than half the labour costs.

As for your cat, 12mm 1x19 S/S wire (Korean which is what I have stood many masts with and replaced hundreds of stays including my own boat) sells for about $17p/m and if you had a turnbuckle and a eye on the wire add another $600 per wire.
So that's atleast $950 a stay @ 20m but I reckon you might have 14mm or even 16mm. That gets really $$$ as not many riggers have a swage machine to go above 14mm.
I could easily see the components be $10k plus labour and crane hire, budget $15k if you can change out the wires yourself, $20k if you want a rigger to do the whole job.
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