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FreeRadical
FreeRadical
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15 May 2013 11:59am
Any ideas on heating the cabin now its getting a bit cold?

Anything electric will probably use too much power?

It was suggested to me to heat up a terracotta pot on the stove to radiate heat. Anyone heard of this or other stove top radiating devices?
LooseChange
LooseChange
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15 May 2013 3:42pm
FreeRadical said..

Anything electric will probably use too much power?

It was suggested to me to heat up a terracotta pot on the stove to radiate heat.


errrr...... just how were you going to heat the terracotta pot without using electricity?

Using the gas stove?

...try a gas heater ..... just make sure it is flued, you know, nasty carbon monoxide gas.
southace
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15 May 2013 4:15pm
Head north! That's what I did 3 years ago and have not needed jeans,socks,trackies,heater,quilt,woman, since ! Well maybe woman! Everyone needs a bossom for a pillow once in a while!
frant
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15 May 2013 6:05pm
FreeRadical said..

Any ideas on heating the cabin now its getting a bit cold?

Anything electric will probably use too much power?

It was suggested to me to heat up a terracotta pot on the stove to radiate heat. Anyone heard of this or other stove top radiating devices?


You have to harden up sister. The terracotta pot idea has been around for a while but I am always scared that the nice warm drowsy feeling that you will get might actually be CO poisoning so other than just putting the kettle on or baking bread in the oven (with full ventilation) its a no no.

On the sea it never gets too cold as the sea is effectively underfloor heating. Had an exception a few years back on the Tamar River on the coldest night in 50 years. The now ex wife used all 6 sleeping bags on board leaving me with only a thermal blanket. Isn't there some saying about hell freezing over.
Ramona
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15 May 2013 6:29pm
There was a bit of a ruckus on the YBW.com PBO forums a few weeks ago over this. The story was something along the lines that the new terracotta pots had some ingredient that was going to be poisonous when heated up, upside down on a stove. The general consensus was that it was fine on a metho stove but not quite so on a gas stove.
LooseChange
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15 May 2013 6:53pm
Ramona said..

There was a bit of a ruckus on the YBW.com PBO forums a few weeks ago over this. The story was something along the lines that the new terracotta pots had some ingredient that was going to be poisonous when heated up, upside down on a stove. The general consensus was that it was fine on a metho stove but not quite so on a gas stove.


Not withstanding the fact that you may or may not emit toxic fumes when heating a terracotta pot there is one simple law of physics that is not going to change.
You are not going to get more heat out than what you put in and if you say that you do, then you have invented perpetual motion and may I have some shares please.
frant
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15 May 2013 8:45pm
Ok I am just about to eat my words. I have just returned to my boat after wading through knee deep water on the hardstand because of the high tides. The AC power has blown because everything is under water. Its bloody freezing and I have put my 3 layer thermal gear on AND turned the gas stove on while contemplating how to get warm!!!
southace
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15 May 2013 10:25pm
Cook a roast or a silverside!
FreeRadical
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15 May 2013 11:30pm
I aint trying to invent cold fusion here but perhaps consider utilising radiant heat that won't kill you.

Turning on your naked gas burner isn't the most efficient way to try and heat a cabin and if not sufficiently ventilated, it will at the very least, get you some kind of high before death.

But there are variations on stove top devices that you heat up with the burner and then let radiate the heat energy slowly, close the vents and let the radiant non toxic heat warm the cabin. Yes, you will have to reheat it. Every gas heater (think outdoor or indoor) have some kind of element that the gas flame heats up to allow the radiant energy to warm you before it dissipates skyward.

Google gas top stove heater and you'll see some pics, not sure if a good idea on a boat though, they get red hot!

Agree though in the end, a roast, baked bread or a second pair of explorer socks; is all that will keep my feet warm. That and maybe a few decades of global warming.

Poodle
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16 May 2013 9:54am
You can get small bulkhead mounted metho heaters - A mate has one on his 30' ocean cruiser to warm the cabin & control the condensation.
Seamonkey_H2024
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16 May 2013 12:01pm
Go buy some booze and get maggoted. Some port or rum should do the trick...even mulled wine.
Jode5
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16 May 2013 10:08pm
Have a look at diesel heating. It is ideal for boats and RV's. they are extremely efficient. There are a number of manufactures demetic and webasto to name a couple. The units are very compact and work a treat. I have one in my caravan and would not consider anything else. see the following site for more information. http://www.around-oz.com/diy_mh/diy_webasto_installation.htm
The cost for a unit which will heat a boat is under $1,000.00 search diesel heaters and you will find plenty, Dometic also make a gas version which my son has in his caravan and it also works well. If you want to take the big step you can always install reverse cycle air conditioning as I did, don't use the heating much in Queensland but the cooling is great on those humid summer nights.
Kryspenn
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26 May 2013 4:34pm
Have a look at small tent heaters available from out door sport stores. You can use small portable canister with them. It is some kind glow heater, and can be used inside. Just google small tent heaters and you will find it.
Im looking to get one of those soon.
LooseChange
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26 May 2013 6:31pm
Kryspenn said..

Have a look at small tent heaters available from out door sport stores. You can use small portable canister with them. It is some kind glow heater, and can be used inside. Just google small tent heaters and you will find it.
Im looking to get one of those soon.


These kinds of heaters are very efficient but please never lose sight of the fact that they are still burning fossil fuel and will as a by-product give off carbon monoxide gas which is a silent killer. So if you use one of these make sure that there is adequate ventilation just because there is no visible flame lulls people into forgetting that there is something burning.
Disralei
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26 May 2013 9:53pm

Go buy some booze and get maggoted. Some port or rum should do the trick...even mulled wine.


With out a doubt, this would have to be the best remedy for the cold, sailors have been practicing this for centuries and I tried it Friday night and I was just fine.

Ramona
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27 May 2013 8:58am
Disralei said..


Go buy some booze and get maggoted. Some port or rum should do the trick...even mulled wine.



Only trouble with that is falling into the water if your drinking ashore and have to return to your vessel by tender. I personally don't think there is anywhere in Australia where it gets cold enough for a heater. Cabin should be fairly snug and then just use modern clothing and bedding. I shop at the Salvation army op shop and for winter sailing I wear ski gear. Buy the up market stuff. Try to avoid the garish colours!
frant
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27 May 2013 9:23am
Disralei said..


Go buy some booze and get maggoted. Some port or rum should do the trick...even mulled wine.


I take this to be a light hearted comment.
It should be seriously pointed out that alcohol consumption and boating are not a safe mix. Something like 90% of drownings from boats involve males found with a significant blood alcohol content and their fly open. Death of an intoxicated person is almost instantaneous on the sudden immersion into cold water and the hypo tension of an intoxicated person standing up and emptying their bladder often leads to fainting or blackouts.
I had the unfortunate experience of pulling a drowning victim from the water as a fifteen year old 40 plus years ago. The person in question had consumed a few beers over lunch before rowing out to a moored vessel in a dinghy with his children aboard. The dinghy capsized in the wash from a passing ship. The look of distress in the childrens eyes as I pulled their dead father from the water has resulted in me running a dry ship whenever at sea.
boofta
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27 May 2013 8:34pm



THIS IS AN EBAY PHOTO OF THE HEATER WE USE ONBOARD
We open some hatches and turn the thing down as it makes a 42 footer very warm.
They use the little $1 dollar cannisters from bunnings.
Heats for a good couple of hours when turned down. allows boating on the coldest
days of the year, lovely before bed after a shower.Then hot water bottles.
Disralei
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27 May 2013 8:42pm
[u]Meant as a light hearted comment most definitely[/u]

Very tragic Frant, (thanks for sheering horrible story)
saltiest1
saltiest1
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28 May 2013 11:06am
just a heads up, talk of gas heating in small areas gives me the jeebees.
co brings on nausea, vomiting headaches etc but often not for a while after getting dosed. kills with no smell at all.
appliances must be registered as AGA approved so you know they are safe and work in with ventalation requirements set out in australian standards.
dont **** with gas stuff. ive seen what it does.
cisco
cisco
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29 May 2013 12:03am
Was thinking the same thing about CO.

CO2 is not poisonous but CO is. They put these warnings on gas appliances re "For outdoor use only." for a reason.
LooseChange
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29 May 2013 12:23am
CO2 is just as poisonous and dangerous as CO but gas heaters give off mainly CO with a small amount of CO2 so it will be the CO that kills you before the CO2 has a chance.
frant
frant
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29 May 2013 9:06am
LooseChange said..

CO2 is just as poisonous and dangerous as CO but gas heaters give off mainly CO with a small amount of CO2 so it will be the CO that kills you before the CO2 has a chance.


You have got your CO and CO2 reversed. CO is deadly poisonous. CO2 is not poisonous, it will simply suffocate you. It will be the CO that kills you however. I thought about installing CO detectors in my boat but decided that it is simply better to avoid prolonged use of CO emitting devices inside, other than the gas oven for baking.
Charriot
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29 May 2013 9:50am
Let mi add to discussion. This discussion remains me caravaning in Europe.
Talking 40 years ago. Also having for short period of time car Trabant, when
people at the back seat had to use sleeping bag, not to freeze in winter.
German use as a option little petrol heater , great unit you heat up the car
before you start the engine /outside -20/.
For caravans and vans we use little diesel heater.

Currently, they are better model, more efficient on the market.
Inlet and outlet is outside, you get just hot air.

This is only proper solution if you serious about.

Just find one to see parameters.



This type of heater really is the way to go for safe economical heating away from mains electrical power.

The two commonly available ones in Aus is the Webasto and the Eberspacher and fuel options are diesel, petrol and LPG with heat outputs ranging from 2 kW to 9 kW.
We chose the Webasto 2 kW diesel model for our new " A" type Avan. The output, ranging from 900 W to 2000 W and depending on thermostat setting, consumes only 0.12 to 0.24 Lit / hour and 12VDC 14 to 24W (which also depends on thermostat selected fan speed).

Briefly, the heater consists of a burner and air fan. There are two distinct air paths.



LooseChange
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29 May 2013 10:30am
frant said..


LooseChange said..

CO2 is just as poisonous and dangerous as CO but gas heaters give off mainly CO with a small amount of CO2 so it will be the CO that kills you before the CO2 has a chance.



You have got your CO and CO2 reversed. CO is deadly poisonous. CO2 is not poisonous, it will simply suffocate you. It will be the CO that kills you however. I thought about installing CO detectors in my boat but decided that it is simply better to avoid prolonged use of CO emitting devices inside, other than the gas oven for baking.


Poisonous was probably bad choice of words, toxic is possibly better as anything that doesn't support life is definitely not good for you.
frant
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29 May 2013 11:09am
LooseChange said..

frant said..


LooseChange said..

CO2 is just as poisonous and dangerous as CO but gas heaters give off mainly CO with a small amount of CO2 so it will be the CO that kills you before the CO2 has a chance.



You have got your CO and CO2 reversed. CO is deadly poisonous. CO2 is not poisonous, it will simply suffocate you. It will be the CO that kills you however. I thought about installing CO detectors in my boat but decided that it is simply better to avoid prolonged use of CO emitting devices inside, other than the gas oven for baking.


Poisonous was probably bad choice of words, toxic is possibly better as anything that doesn't support life is definitely not good for you.


My choice of using a gas oven analogy for a CO emitting means of causing death is probably a bad choice of words also.
saltiest1
saltiest1
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29 May 2013 9:49pm
the safest option is a heat exchange / externally exhausted heater. same with water heaters.
cisco
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29 May 2013 10:20pm
Nothing could beat a 24 yo hottie with a big doona.
LooseChange
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29 May 2013 10:25pm
cisco said..

Nothing could beat a 24 yo hottie with a big doona.


I know what to do with the doona, not sure though I would survive the hottie.

But what a way to go.
saltiest1
saltiest1
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29 May 2013 10:40pm
cisco said..

Nothing could beat a 24 yo hottie with a big doona.




try 2 24 yo hotties without a doona.
cisco
cisco
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30 May 2013 12:03pm
Careful or we will head into heavy weather.
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