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HG02
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31 Jan 2015 9:35am
On my old boat there's a stern navigation light my question is should this only be used when motoring ? As Ill have a mast head light once the mast is raised.
Id like to restore the light if possible
The reason I ask as when Im wiring in the engine panel , I could run a couple of wires to the stern light and when the engine running at night and switch the dash lights on, the stern light could be in that circuit Ill swap out the globe for a Led


cisco
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31 Jan 2015 8:55am
The stern light must be on whether steaming or sailing.

Masthead steaming light must be on when steaming or motor sailing. Can be off when sailing only.
HG02
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31 Jan 2015 11:21am
cisco said..
The stern light must be on whether steaming or sailing.

Masthead steaming light must be on when steaming or motor sailing. Can be off when sailing only.




I had a look at a Vic .gov ruling and from there PDF its says yachts under power should have Quote below.

Sailing vessels while underway (being motor driven) shall exhibit navigation lights applicable to power driven vessels.
Probably different from state to state.
I mainly want to Abide by Australian standards not state
Thanks Cisco
http://www.transportsafety.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/41988/TSVStickerNavLights-Sailing-12-20m.pdf
MorningBird
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31 Jan 2015 11:54am
When using a motor you need an allround white light which can be two separate lights, a stern light and a steaming light, and navigation lights. The steaming light fills in the remainder of the arc not covered by the stern light to provide the boat with an all round white light.

When sailing you need a stern light and navigation lights.

Therefore, the only difference when using the motor or sailing without the engine is that you need a steaming light when using the engine.

If the masthead light is a tricolor that is all you need for sailing. If you use the engine, or even have it running and available for use but not in gear, you also need the steaming light.
HaveFun
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31 Jan 2015 2:50pm
How long is your vessel. Until you know an answer cannot be given to your question . The answer is in the Colregs. Remember if you are motoring then you come within the requirements of a motor driven vessel. In particular, if you have a tri-colour on the masthead it cannot be used when motoring.









HG02
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31 Jan 2015 2:57pm
Thanks for that Morning Bird
HG02
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31 Jan 2015 2:58pm
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MorningBird
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31 Jan 2015 8:45pm
Not sure your are right there Havefun. I have heard this before, including during my Yachtmaster Offshore theory, but have never been shown it in writing.

The following is direct from ColRegs. If there is something in the ColRegs somewhere else it would be good to know. In my reading a steaming and mast head stern light (in the tricolor) meets the all round white light requirement.

21. Definitions
"Masthead light" means a white light on the centreline of the vessel showing from right ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on either side of the vessel.
"Sidelights" means a green light on the starboard side and a red light on the port side each showing from right ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on its respective side. If the vessel is less than 20 metres (66 ft) long, the sidelights may be combined in one fixture carried on the centreline of the vessel.
"Sternlight" means a white light placed as nearly as practicable at the stern showing 67.5 degrees from right aft on each side of the vessel.
"All-round light" means a light visible from 360 degrees of the horizon.
"Sidelights" means a green light on the starboard side and a red light on the port side each showing from right ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on its respective side. If the vessel is less than 20 metres (66 ft) long, the sidelights may be combined in one fixture carried on the centreline of the vessel.

23. Lights displayed by power-driven vessels underway (interalia)
A power-driven vessel of less than 12 metres (39.4 ft) may display only an all-round white light and sidelights. However, in the case of a skiff a wooden clinker rowing boat which falls into this category only needs to be capable of showing a white light.

25. Lights for sailing and rowing vessels
Sailing vessels underway and vessels under oars:
(a) A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit: 1. sidelights;2. a sternlight.
(b) In a sailing vessel of less than 20 metres (66 ft) in length the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule may be combined in one lantern carried at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen.
(c) A sailing vessel underway may, in addition to the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit at or near the top of the mast, where they can best be seen, two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being red and the lower green, but these lights shall not be exhibited in conjunction with the combined lantern permitted by paragraph (b) of this Rule.
(d) 1. A sailing vessel of less than 7 metres (23.0 ft) in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.
2. A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this Rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.
(e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards.
HG02
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1 Feb 2015 12:41am
Today I ran some extra cable for the stern white light so later it can be either separate from the mast head on its own switch or combined with the mast head.
In that PDF from Vic.Gov (above) it reads to me like when under power sailing vessels should have a stern light similar to a powered vessel .
MorningBird
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1 Feb 2015 8:47pm
A sailing vessel under power needs an all round white light, This can be achieved with an all round white light or a stern light and a steaming light.
cisco
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1 Feb 2015 11:01pm

More correctly, any vessel under mechanical power in the hours of darkness must display port, starboard, stern and steaming lights separated by the correct distance as applicable to different sized vessels and defined in the I. R. F. P. O. C. A. S.

It matters not which state or country one's vessel is in. The rules are international.
HG02
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2 Feb 2015 1:21am
cisco said..

More correctly, any vessel under mechanical power in the hours of darkness must display port, starboard, stern and steaming lights separated by the correct distance as applicable to different sized vessels and defined in the I. R. F. P. O. C. A. S.

It matters not which state or country one's vessel is in. The rules are international.


Thanks Cisoc that now clear to me
Question when under sail at night would you have the stern light on plus the mast clear light + red and green?
Just trying to work out which way to wire the stern light in that is on a separate switch or combined with the all the Navigation lights
cisco
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2 Feb 2015 12:35am

Port, starboard and stern lights on one switch (Nav Lights) and steaming light on it's own switch(Steaming Light).
HG02
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2 Feb 2015 2:10am
cisco said..

Port, starboard and stern lights on one switch (Nav Lights) and steaming light on it's own switch(Steaming Light).


I was thinking the mast tri color light would be my nav lights and the stern light the steaming light?
cisco
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2 Feb 2015 10:37am
The steaming light must face forward and has a wider arc than a stern light.
HG02
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2 Feb 2015 6:21pm
cisco said..
The steaming light must face forward and has a wider arc than a stern light.


Thanks Understood Cisco
cisco
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2 Feb 2015 10:58pm
HG02 said..

cisco said..
The steaming light must face forward and has a wider arc than a stern light.



Thanks Understood Cisco


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