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Sturdiness of boat builds: British vs Australian vs American vs French

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Created by Seebreasy73 Two weeks ago, 30 Dec 2018
Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 11:24AM
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Having an openionated conversation with a fellow mate last night, we were debating the ranking of the boat built designs by strudiness. At the end we decided to rank the boats and we came up with:
#1: British - hard to beat the centuries of knowledge and the naturally rough conditions around the British isles, we thoughts Brits have built the strudiest boats

#2. Australin and USA - tied. We think, while sometimes "neatness" is lacking in Australian built boats, the 2 nations are equal in build strudiness, sometimes one would think Australian boats actually pull ahead in some respect

#3. French - despite the fact that Benatous are popular, we thought that French boats were less robust than the rest.

Naturally there are exceptional boats from each nation, but again, we all do have opinions. What do you think?

samsturdy
NSW, 1307 posts
30 Dec 2018 12:32PM
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I'd put the Americans first.

Craig66
NSW, 1516 posts
30 Dec 2018 12:56PM
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South Africa ?



Toph
WA, 1332 posts
30 Dec 2018 10:05AM
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I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines. What years are you talking about? Pre 1980s, pre GFC where a lot of production boats took a slide. Does an American built Beneteau beat a French built Beneteau? Can we add New Zealand to the list? Are we talking yachts only?

I would put my previous yacht a Catalina (American) over my current boat being a Beneteau (French built)

I also still have a Mustang 3200LE (Australian built) that I would put well ahead of the Sea Rays, Sundancers and Four Winds (I believe all are American built).

frant
VIC, 1209 posts
30 Dec 2018 1:08PM
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Seebreasy73 said..
Having an openionated conversation with a fellow mate last night, we were debating the ranking of the boat built designs by strudiness. At the end we decided to rank the boats and we came up with:
#1: British - hard to beat the centuries of knowledge and the naturally rough conditions around the British isles, we thoughts Brits have built the strudiest boats

#2. Australin and USA - tied. We think, while sometimes "neatness" is lacking in Australian built boats, the 2 nations are equal in build strudiness, sometimes one would think Australian boats actually pull ahead in some respect

#3. French - despite the fact that Benatous are popular, we thought that French boats were less robust than the rest.

Naturally there are exceptional boats from each nation, but again, we all do have opinions. What do you think?


I think that your "opinion" is as poor as your spelling. IMHO that is.

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 12:30PM
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Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines. What years are you talking about? Pre 1980s, pre GFC where a lot of production boats took a slide. Does an American built Beneteau beat a French built Beneteau? Can we add New Zealand to the list? Are we talking yachts only?

I would put my previous yacht a Catalina (American) over my current boat being a Beneteau (French built)

I also still have a Mustang 3200LE (Australian built) that I would put well ahead of the Sea Rays, Sundancers and Four Winds (I believe all are American built).


any boat - in general - no specific categories, naturally yachts since it is in a sailing forum

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 12:37PM
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frant said..

Seebreasy73 said..
Having an openionated conversation with a fellow mate last night, we were debating the ranking of the boat built designs by strudiness. At the end we decided to rank the boats and we came up with:
#1: British - hard to beat the centuries of knowledge and the naturally rough conditions around the British isles, we thoughts Brits have built the strudiest boats

#2. Australin and USA - tied. We think, while sometimes "neatness" is lacking in Australian built boats, the 2 nations are equal in build strudiness, sometimes one would think Australian boats actually pull ahead in some respect

#3. French - despite the fact that Benatous are popular, we thought that French boats were less robust than the rest.

Naturally there are exceptional boats from each nation, but again, we all do have opinions. What do you think?



I think that your "opinion" is as poor as your spelling. IMHO that is.


nobody and nothing is perfect in this World and if perfect spelling was the criteria, many great people would have faltered by your standard.
if you want to personally criticize me or debate my spelling send me a pm and we can see whose spelling is the best. Please keep this thread on topic, if you do not like it, you DO NOT HAVE TO comment.

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 12:48PM
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samsturdy said..
I'd put the Americans first.

thanks
#2 #3 #4?

frant
VIC, 1209 posts
30 Dec 2018 1:54PM
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Seebreasy73 said..

frant said..


Seebreasy73 said..
Having an openionated conversation with a fellow mate last night, we were debating the ranking of the boat built designs by strudiness. At the end we decided to rank the boats and we came up with:
#1: British - hard to beat the centuries of knowledge and the naturally rough conditions around the British isles, we thoughts Brits have built the strudiest boats

#2. Australin and USA - tied. We think, while sometimes "neatness" is lacking in Australian built boats, the 2 nations are equal in build strudiness, sometimes one would think Australian boats actually pull ahead in some respect

#3. French - despite the fact that Benatous are popular, we thought that French boats were less robust than the rest.

Naturally there are exceptional boats from each nation, but again, we all do have opinions. What do you think?




I think that your "opinion" is as poor as your spelling. IMHO that is.



nobody and nothing is perfect in this World and if perfect spelling was the criteria, many great people would have faltered by your standard.
if you want to personally criticize me or debate my spelling send me a pm and we can see whose spelling is the best. Please keep this thread on topic, if you do not like it, you DO NOT HAVE TO comment.


Sorry but I am entitled to an opinion, just because you don't like it too bad and as I read it your spelling is atrocious

theselkie
QLD, 508 posts
30 Dec 2018 1:08PM
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Seabreasy, I'm curious to know what design boat you have?

FreeRadical
WA, 801 posts
30 Dec 2018 1:06PM
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The French do make more than Beneteau's and Jeanneau's.

Try Amel, Garcia, Outremer, Pogo, Archambault, Dufour, Fountaine Pajot, Catana, Neel, RM, Allures, Privilege.........the list goes on and on.

Id rank the French right up there

UncleBob
NSW, 333 posts
30 Dec 2018 4:27PM
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FreeRadical said..
The French do make more than Beneteau's and Jeanneau's.

Try Amel, Garcia, Outremer, Pogo, Archambault, Dufour, Fountaine Pajot, Catana, Neel, RM, Allures, Privilege.........the list goes on and on.

Id rank the French right up there


And I reckon I would have to agree with you.

Charriot
QLD, 752 posts
30 Dec 2018 3:55PM
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Might to squeez in Bavaria, Hanse, Hallberg-Rassy.

garymalmgren
129 posts
30 Dec 2018 2:26PM
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Here you go.
If sturdiness equals long -lasting, it has to be Scandinavian.
However, the Egyptians did quite a good job too.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_surviving_ships

Gery (Opps, spelled me name wrong )

sirgallivant
NSW, 1320 posts
30 Dec 2018 5:38PM
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Trolling again?


Bristolfashion
VIC, 417 posts
30 Dec 2018 8:54PM
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Oooh yes, a lot of those Scandi boats - the Baltic cruiser, pilot house type and the like seem pretty tough boats.

Still, both the Brits and the yanks have produced a lot of sturdy, proven boats. Hmmmm.

Imho, this is a fine topic for a forum - just like the classic old pub conversation. It may not be erudite, precise or overly technical, but it starts a chat.

Cheers

Bristol

SailMark
QLD, 56 posts
30 Dec 2018 8:54PM
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FreeRadical said..
The French do make more than Beneteau's and Jeanneau's.

Try Amel, Garcia, Outremer, Pogo, Archambault, Dufour, Fountaine Pajot, Catana, Neel, RM, Allures, Privilege.........the list goes on and on.

Id rank the French right up there


Wauquiez And frant, the spelling is correct.

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 9:09PM
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frant said..

Seebreasy73 said..


frant said..



Seebreasy73 said..
Having an openionated conversation with a fellow mate last night, we were debating the ranking of the boat built designs by strudiness. At the end we decided to rank the boats and we came up with:
#1: British - hard to beat the centuries of knowledge and the naturally rough conditions around the British isles, we thoughts Brits have built the strudiest boats

#2. Australin and USA - tied. We think, while sometimes "neatness" is lacking in Australian built boats, the 2 nations are equal in build strudiness, sometimes one would think Australian boats actually pull ahead in some respect

#3. French - despite the fact that Benatous are popular, we thought that French boats were less robust than the rest.

Naturally there are exceptional boats from each nation, but again, we all do have opinions. What do you think?





I think that your "opinion" is as poor as your spelling. IMHO that is.




nobody and nothing is perfect in this World and if perfect spelling was the criteria, many great people would have faltered by your standard.
if you want to personally criticize me or debate my spelling send me a pm and we can see whose spelling is the best. Please keep this thread on topic, if you do not like it, you DO NOT HAVE TO comment.



Sorry but I am entitled to an opinion, just because you don't like it too bad and as I read it your spelling is atrocious


you are so humble that it begs for admiration

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 9:11PM
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theselkie said..
Seabreasy, I'm curious to know what design boat you have?


ozzy made, had both American and French before

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 9:15PM
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Bristolfashion said..
Oooh yes, a lot of those Scandi boats - the Baltic cruiser, pilot house type and the like seem pretty tough boats.

Still, both the Brits and the yanks have produced a lot of sturdy, proven boats. Hmmmm.

Imho, this is a fine topic for a forum - just like the classic old pub conversation. It may not be erudite, precise or overly technical, but it starts a chat.

Cheers

Bristol


someone gets the idea instead of being bogged down by that very attrocious spelling (not everyone has a spell chek you kno)

Seebreasy73
QLD, 284 posts
30 Dec 2018 9:19PM
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Okay, let's drop the Germans, Scandinavians and Spanish in the mix. The greats in naval history.

What would you rank them on the list?

theselkie
QLD, 508 posts
30 Dec 2018 9:30PM
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You know, really, I don't know why anyone is subscribing to this thread. We're all mugs!!!

Donk107
TAS, 1959 posts
30 Dec 2018 11:41PM
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Hi all

One of the Huon Yacht Club members have a Japanese built Yamaha 33 and it looks like a well built and finished boat with nice touches like recessed headsail tracks in the deck although looking at the Yamaha website it appears they only make power boats now

Regards Don

LooseChange
NSW, 1839 posts
31 Dec 2018 1:15AM
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theselkie said..
You know, really, I don't know why anyone is subscribing to this thread. We're all mugs!!!


Well said Tracey, I don't think I could have said it any better

troubadour
NSW, 37 posts
31 Dec 2018 9:37AM
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As a shipwright and surveyor based on some of the structural things I have seen I would not go past Sydney heads on a French yacht starting with "B".
If you want an Aussie built boat that will take you anywhere I would be looking at a "Jarkan"built yacht. Not too flashy but practical and well built.
Hope the speling iz okay????

Happy New Year everyone - Lighten up.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 1397 posts
31 Dec 2018 9:44AM
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I think nationality is the wrong choice for determining sturdiness.
Flip it to the individual. I can see a shipwright or an architect would have an influence on sturdiness.
A shipwright or architect can influence an entire region or even a certain period, but I don't think a nation dictates how sturdy a build may be.

You can't even use hull thickness as a guide anymore, as construction techniques and even our understanding of loads and forces has become so much better. I am not saying new boats are better, I am thinking individuals will have more of a greater influence over the topic of interest than the country of origin.

Edit: Happy new year to you too Troubadour!

Donk107
TAS, 1959 posts
31 Dec 2018 11:27AM
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Also I think that makers will build what the market wants and can afford a lot of the time some boats that we might see as lacking what we personally desire will be perfect for lots of other people and will sell like hot cakes

Regards Don

frant
VIC, 1209 posts
31 Dec 2018 12:23PM
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theselkie said..
You know, really, I don't know why anyone is subscribing to this thread. We're all mugs!!!


Actually it is all the Beneteau owners of the world who are mugs. Apparently the least strudy(sic) of all yachts ever built and incapable of venturing past the centre of the universe aka Sydney Heads. They should all rush out and buy one of those brand new Australian built production boats. Ah which one is still in production???
BTW i own a Beneteau

jbear
NSW, 61 posts
31 Dec 2018 12:42PM
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Don't forget Swansons

Jolene
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31 Dec 2018 10:09AM
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Toph said..
I think it's yet another conversation that's too broad in its guidelines..


agree,,,, What is a gauge for sturdiness?

shaggybaxter
QLD, 1397 posts
31 Dec 2018 12:11PM
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An interesting side topic, Pogo have debuted a 32ft power boat using their sailboat hull construction techniques.
Hull is a 25mm vacuum infused foam core layup, same construction technique as their sailboats. Complete with chine!

32 ft long, weighs in at 1750kgs with motor and cruises at 12 knots using 1/2 litre per mile with a Penta 75HP.

That's a sturdy construction for a stinkboat for a minimal weight penalty. And that was due to Christian, the guy who owns Pogo being a very talented composites engineer.



They need to work on the ugly factor a bit!



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