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mattn
mattn
NSW
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NSW, 90 posts
3 Sep 2010 10:05pm
Hi,

I was after some suggestions for a class of boat to get my kids (under age 10) into sailing and racing.

I remember as a kid starting off in the Mirror class which was good for a couple of kids racing together, but as a tall adult I'm not sure whether they are going to be the most comfortable choice to get back into.

Any suggestions for a class that's not too big, reasonably comfortable and pretty quick to rig & would be appreciated.

Thanks
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7758 posts
NSW, 7758 posts
4 Sep 2010 8:22am
mattn said...

Hi,

I was after some suggestions for a class of boat to get my kids (under age 10) into sailing and racing.

I remember as a kid starting off in the Mirror class which was good for a couple of kids racing together, but as a tall adult I'm not sure whether they are going to be the most comfortable choice to get back into.

Any suggestions for a class that's not too big, reasonably comfortable and pretty quick to rig & would be appreciated.

Thanks





Tough question. I started my kids off in a Flying 11 and then a NS14, they sailed alternate weekends with me. Its not a good solution and I would do it differently now. Have a look at the Port Kembla sailing clubs website. They have a kids training school where the kids learn to sail in club provided little singlehanders. They sail Saturday mornings in front of the club house on a very short course, the markers are actually instructors standing in the shallows and have everything laid on. The kids learn and have fun which is the important note here. Sailing with their parents in a racing dinghy is often not conducive to harmony and an introduction to a sailing career. You can of course assist and then in the afternoon race with the big kids in a class of your choice.

Its one of the best clubs around, not too far from Randwick, nicer class of people than Sydney clubs and they have the best hamburgers on the coast.


t03y
t03y
SA
74 posts
SA, 74 posts
4 Sep 2010 6:09pm
I agree with what Ramona said.

Not sure what classes that clubs up there train in, but here in SA, holdfast trainers, international cadets (which has the opportunity to take their sailing to an international level if you wanted to go that far) and herons.

I started off sailing with my Dad on saturday afternoon in trailer sailors, I loved it and am now training in lasers and 125's (which is my profile picture). I've also moved onto a Sydney 38 which is a keelboat. So taking them with you on saturday afternoons does get them into it (well, it did for me anyway) if you just wanted to keep it simple. If you do go down that path though, it would be best to get them as hands on as possible.

I believe NSW has a tackers program for junior sailors? That would be a perfect way to get them into competitive sailing.

Just go down to your local yacht club and ask about their youth programs

PS, when they're teenagers get them onto something with a trapeze! So much fun!

Nathan 6239
Nathan 6239
WA
24 posts
WA, 24 posts
4 Sep 2010 7:57pm
having a look at what is sailed near you will be the first step.. then i would wait till ' go sail' day if you havnt already made up your mind, on go sail days, participating yacht clubs have boats of each class that they will take you out for a sail in, all in the aim of attracting new sailors and members, the windrush 14 would be a good choice (maybe just a lil bit o bias here :P) herons are a good adult/ kid combination ,signets are another boat to look at
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
4 Sep 2010 11:49pm
Why not just keep it nice and simple for the "Mini skippers"???

I started off sailing Sabots . I believe that Optimists are now alot more popular these days and are quite similar to Sabots.

From my experience with kids learning to sail it is a mistake to try and teach them to sail and race bigger boats or "powered up" dinghies. They need to be able to controll a smaller boat first , get the core fundamentals of sailing and then have a look at a more exciting class / fleet .

As for your / thier height , thier not going to be over 5'5 by the time they are 14 are they???

When it comes to racing , personally I think the biggest part is rules knowledge. Tactics is also important but that will come with experience.
Most people only know about 5 rules but if you know your stuff then you can really controll the fleet . Here is a really great site / simulator that the kids will have fun with and learn the racing rules of sailing demo.expertusone.com/

Hope this helps Matt , let us know how you get on.

Kearnsy
grant747
grant747
VIC
5 posts
VIC, 5 posts
6 Sep 2010 8:30am
mmm, bit of a curly question. defiantly look at what is sailed around where you are, the perfect boat is no fun to race if there is only one of them. and when i was looking at something to get my child into sailing i consciously separated the power and ease aspects of the boats and the ease / classes sailed in the area won out every time, once they are older you can get something to blast around in.
Cheers.
C4
C4
2 posts
C4 C4
2 posts
6 Sep 2010 9:25am
Matt, I'm assuming by your comment of being a tall adult that you will be sailing with them.
If so, you could consider something like a Pacer, which is really just a big Mirror, very simple rig. The 125 is very similar, but quicker, with more rigging.
iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
6 Sep 2010 12:41pm
The 125 also gives the option of trapeze and spinnaker and they can learn all the basics this way.
TornadoALIVE
TornadoALIVE
NSW
45 posts
NSW, 45 posts
9 Sep 2010 10:35pm
Mono's
Flying 11
Tasar
NS14
MG
125

Cats
Windrush
Maricat 4.3
Mosquito
Hobie 16
Taipan 4.9
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
9 Sep 2010 10:47pm
KEARNSY said...

Why not just keep it nice and simple for the "Mini skippers"???

I started off sailing Sabots . I believe that Optimists are now alot more popular these days and are quite similar to Sabots.

From my experience with kids learning to sail it is a mistake to try and teach them to sail and race bigger boats or "powered up" dinghies. They need to be able to controll a smaller boat first , get the core fundamentals of sailing and then have a look at a more exciting class / fleet .

As for your / thier height , thier not going to be over 5'5 by the time they are 14 are they???

When it comes to racing , personally I think the biggest part is rules knowledge. Tactics is also important but that will come with experience.
Most people only know about 5 rules but if you know your stuff then you can really controll the fleet . Here is a really great site / simulator that the kids will have fun with and learn the racing rules of sailing demo.expertusone.com/

Hope this helps Matt , let us know how you get on.

Kearnsy


I aggree with all of this, yes Sabots would be a good option.

some clubs do have little trainer boats for absolute beginers, they look really good ,not sure what they are though.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7758 posts
NSW, 7758 posts
10 Sep 2010 8:35am
Port Kembla sailing club has an excellent training scheme as I mentioned above. They start off with these small boats donated by BHP. They also have Sabots and a F11. The first racing class is the very active Flying Ants and these kids in this club dominate on the national scene.

It all starts here;

t03y
t03y
SA
74 posts
SA, 74 posts
10 Sep 2010 5:47pm
Having sailed 125's, I wouldn't suggest throwing young (first timer, anyway) kids into them. That is, unless, you only want to sail under 8 knots (they would probably almost be flat wiring at 8 knots anyway)

SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
10 Sep 2010 10:18pm
Ramona said...

Port Kembla sailing club has an excellent training scheme as I mentioned above. They start off with these small boats donated by BHP. They also have Sabots and a F11. The first racing class is the very active Flying Ants and these kids in this club dominate on the national scene.

It all starts here;




there you go Mattn, those little trainers are the go !!! Spot on Ramona!!
smash78
smash78
VIC
27 posts
VIC, 27 posts
10 Sep 2010 10:21pm
Sabot's are a great boat to start in, very easy to sail and rig for one person and a fun little dinghy to sail for one person. If a you have a crew a the next step up would be a Pacer, also easy to sail and rig, or if you want something that realy moves try a Flying Ant, great little skiff for two young people
vam44
vam44
1 posts
1 posts
25 Oct 2010 10:04pm
Having had 3 kids so far starting sailing my advice is to get them into an Optimist via a tackers programme at a club. This class of boat is quite cheap and the boats are readily tradable, they are great for learning how to sail and kids can progress to quite an advanced level if they want to eg nationals and even represent Australia at the worlds!

The centreboard group at the RPAYC has a tackers programme which has three levels for kids and a fleet of optimist sailing each sunday.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7758 posts
NSW, 7758 posts
26 Oct 2010 9:25am
vam44 said...

Having had 3 kids so far starting sailing my advice is to get them into an Optimist via a tackers programme at a club. This class of boat is quite cheap and the boats are readily tradable, they are great for learning how to sail and kids can progress to quite an advanced level if they want to eg nationals and even represent Australia at the worlds!

The centreboard group at the RPAYC has a tackers programme which has three levels for kids and a fleet of optimist sailing each sunday.


Optimist is an excellent choice. The Port Kembla sailing club mentioned in my previous posts is applying for some under the training scheme. At $2800 new all up they are good value. Advertisers like them, sails are long lived and advertisers get good value for their dollar.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3588 posts
NSW, 3588 posts
6 Nov 2010 10:03pm
Ramona said...
Its one of the best clubs around, not too far from Randwick, nicer class of people than Sydney clubs and they have the best hamburgers on the coast.





I'm not knocking PKSC (which has some great people I enjoy hanging with at regattas) but claiming that they have "a nicer class of people" than the Sydney clubs is one hell of a big call, considering the number of different people who sail at different Sydney clubs from Port Hacking to Pittwater.



nutherwayno
nutherwayno
1 posts
1 posts
20 Dec 2010 10:45pm
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I'm not knocking PKSC (which has some great people I enjoy hanging with at regattas) but claiming that they have "a nicer class of people" than the Sydney clubs is one hell of a big call, considering the number of different people who sail at different Sydney clubs from Port Hacking to Pittwater.

good call! tolerance, boys and girls, is all. That's why yr getting the kids involved in the first place, isn't it?
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