Tall Ship Dragging anchor to the stern on a lee shore

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MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM
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16 Sep 2026 4:59am
Can anyone please tell me the terminology when a Tall Ship caught on a lee shore in a last ditched effort dragged the anchor to the stern to try and sail off.?
for the life of me I can no longer remember .
RoastChook
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16 Sep 2026 7:11am
Is this what you were thinking of?

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clubhauling
JonE
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16 Sep 2026 9:49am
Kedging the anchor. Didn't even use AI :)
MAGNESIUM
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16 Sep 2026 10:38am
RoastChook said..
Is this what you were thinking of?

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clubhauling


Thank you that is exactly what I needed.
the first time I heard about it was a tall ship on a lee shore dropping the second bower anchor in a last ditch effort to sail the ship off the Lee shore,
now all I need is to remember which book I read about it
MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM
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16 Sep 2026 10:40am
JonE said..
Kedging the anchor. Didn't even use AI :)


Ha ha ha no not Kedging sailing engineless the kedge gets used a lot
RoastChook
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16 Sep 2026 3:11pm
I assume this is a similar manoeuvre

www.pbo.co.uk/seamanship/the-juggens-manoeuvre-to-get-you-off-a-lee-shore-88630
cammd
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17 Sep 2026 7:48am
RoastChook said..
I assume this is a similar manoeuvre

www.pbo.co.uk/seamanship/the-juggens-manoeuvre-to-get-you-off-a-lee-shore-88630


Would that be possible with most yachts or is it peculiar to particular designs
julesmoto
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17 Sep 2026 1:37pm
Seems a bit of a weird technique to me which relies upon sailing to windward at some particular angle up onto the anchor the first time with the anchor somehow holding and the chain pulling tight to put the boat about once without breaking the anchor free but then on the next iteration on the opposite tack after pulling up a heap of chain breaking the anchor free because the chain is more vertical at that point. Presumably then you have to pull up like hell to avoid sailing along with the anchor just dragging on the bottom or perhaps he is suggesting that after the second tack you don't pull the jib around properly and hence you heave-to in order to give yourself time to pull in the remaining chain. Sounds dodgy as hell with minor errors in angles and timing and amount of chain pulled in at any point for the particular boat concerned and the particular wave conditions resulting in failure. Might be a lot simpler to stay put if your anchor is holding.

Seems like you would have to practice quite a few times to determine what angle to sail at and how much chain to have out at the particular depth concerned so as to yank the bow around with the anchor still holding keeping in mind all the time the amount the bow was rising and falling in those particular weather conditions (and hence the propensity to break the anchor out).

Way too many parameters and way too different for every type of boat I would think. Good luck doing it single-handed without an auto pilot even if you get all the other parameters correct.

What's wrong with just sailing up on the anchor as close to the wind as possible while pulling in anchor chain as fast as you can.
EastCoastSail
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17 Sep 2026 1:26pm


I think the diagram and story is excellent. I think if you have a good understanding of how your boat heaves too it might be a really good method.


I’m going to give it a shot , but practice a few times first without the lee shore.

It appeals more than my current single handed method when caught anchored against a Lee shore. Put the engine in forward at low rpm with the auto pilot bearing on to the anchors position. Then running forward and lifting the anchor with the windlass in pounding chop, hoping you synchronise the anchor breaking with the boat coming overhead, and having enough rpm to maintain the heading . Always an anxious task.


MAGNESIUM
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17 Sep 2026 3:36pm
Sailing engineless this situation comes up regularly, even if it’s not a lee shore the bloody boat makes sure it charges straight for the land.
most times I start bringing in the chain as the tide is coming in letting the boat do the work breaking out the anchor.
i have found if you pull in to much chain it snubs the bow and you don’t get the benefit of sailing on both tacks.
Up goes the main but I leave it loose sheeted .
i hank the jib on and pull it up ready to be back winded to pull the bow around or to hold the bow down.
as she sails on the chain I pull in the chain on each tack..
none of this is easy no anchor winch all chain rode and a massive over size Manson supreme, its unbelievable how attached you get to your anchor gear when 70kt winds blow through and you have no engine.
i have a A100 Spade anchor made up as second bower with chain and 100m of 14mm nylon rode.
I never go to bed without putting in the third reef , I did away with lazy jacks so putting in the third reef also helps manage the sail on the boom and if high winds are forecast the storm jib is hanked on ready to go and the main sail cover is taken off.
many a yacht has been lost trying to motor off a lee shore and getting ropes caught around the prop or just when you really need the engine it won’t start.
you certainly have to be in tune with the elements wind and tides I find it blissfully peaceful and satisfying (rewarding)
and less of a hit to the wallet.
MAGNESIUM
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17 Sep 2026 3:48pm
julesmoto said..
Seems a bit of a weird technique to me which relies upon sailing to windward at some particular angle up onto the anchor the first time with the anchor somehow holding and the chain pulling tight to put the boat about once without breaking the anchor free but then on the next iteration on the opposite tack after pulling up a heap of chain breaking the anchor free because the chain is more vertical at that point. Presumably then you have to pull up like hell to avoid sailing along with the anchor just dragging on the bottom or perhaps he is suggesting that after the second tack you don't pull the jib around properly and hence you heave-to in order to give yourself time to pull in the remaining chain. Sounds dodgy as hell with minor errors in angles and timing and amount of chain pulled in at any point for the particular boat concerned and the particular wave conditions resulting in failure. Might be a lot simpler to stay put if your anchor is holding.

Seems like you would have to practice quite a few times to determine what angle to sail at and how much chain to have out at the particular depth concerned so as to yank the bow around with the anchor still holding keeping in mind all the time the amount the bow was rising and falling in those particular weather conditions (and hence the propensity to break the anchor out).

Way too many parameters and way too different for every type of boat I would think. Good luck doing it single-handed without an auto pilot even if you get all the other parameters correct.

What's wrong with just sailing up on the anchor as close to the wind as possible while pulling in anchor chain as fast as you can.

Dinghy sailors learn to sail without the rudder, most times following the diagram the yacht will look after herself the backed headsail specially with a furler letting out a small amount gives you lots of control.


julesmoto
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18 Sep 2026 10:49am
MAGNESIUM said..
Sailing engineless this situation comes up regularly, even if it’s not a lee shore the bloody boat makes sure it charges straight for the land.
most times I start bringing in the chain as the tide is coming in letting the boat do the work breaking out the anchor.
i have found if you pull in to much chain it snubs the bow and you don’t get the benefit of sailing on both tacks.
Up goes the main but I leave it loose sheeted .
i hank the jib on and pull it up ready to be back winded to pull the bow around or to hold the bow down.
as she sails on the chain I pull in the chain on each tack..
none of this is easy no anchor winch all chain rode and a massive over size Manson supreme, its unbelievable how attached you get to your anchor gear when 70kt winds blow through and you have no engine.
i have a A100 Spade anchor made up as second bower with chain and 100m of 14mm nylon rode.
I never go to bed without putting in the third reef , I did away with lazy jacks so putting in the third reef also helps manage the sail on the boom and if high winds are forecast the storm jib is hanked on ready to go and the main sail cover is taken off.
many a yacht has been lost trying to motor off a lee shore and getting ropes caught around the prop or just when you really need the engine it won’t start.
you certainly have to be in tune with the elements wind and tides I find it blissfully peaceful and satisfying (rewarding)
and less of a hit to the wallet.


So you don't have an engine?
julesmoto
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18 Sep 2026 11:02am
EastCoastSail said..


I think the diagram and story is excellent. I think if you have a good understanding of how your boat heaves too it might be a really good method.


I’m going to give it a shot , but practice a few times first without the lee shore.

It appeals more than my current single handed method when caught anchored against a Lee shore. Put the engine in forward at low rpm with the auto pilot bearing on to the anchors position. Then running forward and lifting the anchor with the windlass in pounding chop, hoping you synchronise the anchor breaking with the boat coming overhead, and having enough rpm to maintain the heading . Always an anxious task.





Still think it is going to be heavily dependent on how much rode you have out at the precise times you tack and how well the anchor is dug in and the particular floor that it is dug into as well as the chop and wind conditions which determine how much the bow is bouncing up and down.

I think the diagram and the explanation is overly simplistic and certainly not something you would want to try on a lee shore for the first time or in an unfamiliar spot at any time. It's good practice to tack up onto your anchor to release it however.

Certainly heaving to is something to be practiced in any and all conditions as every boat is different but unless you are very close to shore it's sometimes hard to know how much the boat is still moving and in what direction.

Each to their own I guess and I used to sail into my marina pen halfway down an arm back in the day but with me on the helm and (often) main plus someone on the foredeck to back the jib at an appropriate time. Illegal now but anything that improves your boat handling skills can't be a waste.

Would never suggest this as a maneuver to be used for the first time without extensive practice as appears to be the case in the story. The story makes it out to be so simple that the yacht practically does it by itself. Pretty negligent implications I think. Maybe it was dead calm water and eight knots of breeze but this should have been noted and have come with a warning.


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