Teaching our sailing partners important stuff

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Offthegrid
Offthegrid
WA
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18 Mar 2014 4:23pm
So we've had our yacht for a couple of years. Started teaching my partner basic stuff to do with sailing. It's a delicate subject when things go wrong but I feel I should persist. We normally end up in some sort of "you said, I did, I said, you did what" form of heated discussion( read argument)
my partner loves sailing so I try my best to be a good skipper but it seems when its busy or ****s happening, you cant always be their best friend as well??? so I ask who teaches what to their partners. Crash tacks? MOB stuff? Be interested to hear how you got on :)
LMY
LMY
NSW
203 posts
LMY LMY
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18 Mar 2014 9:45pm
How to change the engine oil?

I once taught he about MOB recovery by falling off, but would not recommend that method.

On a serious note, she teaches me not to yell when $&@/?!s happening, that sometimes the last 0.1 extra knot is not that important, that you can enjoy sailing while reefed, that sometimes the main can stay in the bag, that maybe not getting the extra degree of height is OK.

If I learn this then lots of time is spent on the boat, we both try to increase our skills and life is good.
KemoSabe
KemoSabe
NSW
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18 Mar 2014 9:53pm
I allways tell partners and others that when I raise my voice it's simply because something is happening that is urgent and I am trying to get your attention, or that I think because of wind or other noises you can't hear me. It's never because I'm yelling at them. Never.
southace
southace
SA
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18 Mar 2014 9:56pm
I seen some guy yelling at his wife/girlfriend cause she didn't throw the lines of fast enough when he tryed departing his berth at 6 knots.....she looked so upset and embarrassed as they motored past......he then yelled again at her when they got back from the sail cause she couldn't hook the bow line that was left on the dock with departure!!

One thing I prefer is always to take my bowline with me and when mooring the crew or solo sailor can stand midships with the bowline where one can just step down onto the pontoon with full control and not wrestling a boat hook and a rope!

Anyway there should never be a need to yell at the crew unless they have hearing disability!
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
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18 Mar 2014 10:51pm
Well I sail with three of us.... I, me and myself..

When we yell it's because something has gone wrong!!

Dosen't make any difference though!!
cisco
cisco
QLD
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18 Mar 2014 11:42pm
KemoSabe said..

I allways tell partners and others that when I raise my voice it's simply because something is happening that is urgent and I am trying to get your attention, or that I think because of wind or other noises you can't hear me. It's never because I'm yelling at them. Never.


You can explain that a thousand times over and they will never get it.

I spent three weeks on the Endeavour Replica on which the orders from the captain to the helmsman, whom he was standing right next to, were yelled and the helmsman had to respond in a yell.

I think what most people do not understand is that life aboard a vessel is not democratic. It is autocratic, ie one person has to in charge and obeyed at all times. The flip side is when something goes wrong, that person bears the responsibility.
cisco
cisco
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18 Mar 2014 11:47pm
One of the most important things that crew and guests aboard a yacht must learn is to return everything to exactly where they got it from.

Shipshape in Bristol fashion, a place for everything and everything in it's place.
Toph
Toph
WA
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18 Mar 2014 9:55pm
cisco said..

One of the most important things that crew and guests aboard a yacht must learn is to return everything to exactly where they got it from.

Shipshape in Bristol fashion, a place for everything and everything in it's place.


Oh Jesus, you'd struggle with my mrs... I struggle with her when onboard.
santanasaga
santanasaga
NSW
123 posts
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19 Mar 2014 9:20am
The most important thing I try to do with all crew (inc. the mrs) is run them through exactly what is happening before it happens, what is expected of them and what to do when something goes wrong. In this way they have the best ability to react appropriately. No yelling weighing anchor - Hand signals from the bow means everyone knows what is going on. The missus doesnt really like sailing but luckily loves getting to the places you can only see on a boat. 15000nm later she still gets sea sick for or the first 24 hours...
Fiesta
Fiesta
QLD
122 posts
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19 Mar 2014 9:11am
First thing I got the other half to understand is:

How to use the kill switch on the outboard motor
What to do for MOB and how to deploy the horseshoe ring which is on 20m of polyprop line

MOB is a whole other topic.

I can now hand over the helm to her now for reasonable periods, but if I leave the cockpit for any time when someone else is steering I will ease about a foot of mainsheet before I go.....Reduces helm load for that gust that appears from nowhere as soon as you get on the foredeck.


Chilla
Chilla
WA
136 posts
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19 Mar 2014 7:25am
If your sailing a lot with your partner the two of you should be interchangeable i.e. you can do everything they can do and vica versa. At a minimum they should atleast know what to do in the instance of you lying down and not getting back up again. Knew of one couple, the skipper took a permanent sleep onboard, the partner didn't know how to sail the boat or raise help on coms, had no interest and was never taught, she did the cooking and cleaning while he handled the boat, pretty inexcusable on both behalfs.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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19 Mar 2014 10:50am
Not quite on topic but my partner and I have had several boats together. I tend to be a bit bossy so even is it's his boat I can have him doing things while I'm helming.. We had a 16year break and in the meantime went crewing and our skipper is really polite and generally says please etc and doesn't yell..
Since we have the new boat we tend to yell at each other less and be more polite.. Not sure if its the extra 16 years maturity,the example of the skipper or just that we haven't had the boat long enough to get in the ****!
My partner has a really soft voice and doesn't really get the concept of volume and yell! This used to cause a lot of problems coming into marinas when I couldn't hear what he was saying and he'd tell me not to yell..We have now discovered hand signals!
MattM14
MattM14
NSW
190 posts
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19 Mar 2014 11:22am
For me (or rather my Mrs) the most important thing is to keep things under control and very low levels of anxiety/arousal/alarm. She is not a confident sailor but like Santanasaga's Mrs she does enjoy what happens once you get to where you are going and she has a glass of bubbly in hand.

I have learnt through experience that it is far better to get to our destination slowly and with the boat sitting flat, even if this means puttering along with a No3 genoa and no main in a moderate breeze than it is to drive the boat along and get there quicker and thus making it more enjoyable for me. I have tried all sorts of things to make the experience more enjoyable for her including appealing to logic and explaining why the boat won't capsize, running her through things and providing as much guidance and instruction as I dare etc. But at the end of the day I have reached the conclusion that whilst she may enjoy certain aspects of being on the boat sadly she is never going to be a sailor
keensailor
keensailor
NSW
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19 Mar 2014 12:55pm
My girlfriend has learnt a lot in the 10 months we have had our boat (so have i ;), and i feel comfortable with her at the helm except when there is a lot of traffic around or in tight quarters. She was very keen to learn how to heave to, so we have practiced that a lot. Guess her main fear is loosing me overboard and being left with a boat out of control.
crustysailor
crustysailor
VIC
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19 Mar 2014 2:11pm
every time we go out, my wife and kids (and myself actually) learn something new.

It's gratifying to see them becoming more confident on what they can do on the boat, and that their list of 'jobs' or duties gets longer each time.
( it's now to the point where I can now raise the main without steering, or winching the halyard, just watching the lazyjacks and battens. :))

Also, best tip is probably not to automatically be the one on the helm when docking or definitely when picking the mooring up.
You're most likely to be the strongest, and more suitable when the wind picks up at least.

All it takes is some time teaching, and being clear on how you intent to come in alongside.

keensailor
keensailor
NSW
702 posts
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19 Mar 2014 2:33pm
crustysailor said..

Also, best tip is probably not to automatically be the one on the helm when docking or definitely when picking the mooring up.
You're most likely to be the strongest, and more suitable when the wind picks up at least.

All it takes is some time teaching, and being clear on how you intent to come in alongside.



yes!
Coming alongside and leaving a jetty is an art in itself, particularly by yourself in a blow.
There are some pretty cool techniques using springs and prop thrust off your rudder to leave jetties by yourself which I am keen to learn.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
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19 Mar 2014 11:40pm
santanasaga said..

The missus doesnt really like sailing but luckily loves getting to the places you can only see on a boat. 15000nm later she still gets sea sick for or the first 24 hours...


There are women around that LOVE sailing but rarely it is the woman you marry. One of God's cruel jokes on blokes.

If you can get a woman to sail with you to a beautiful anchorage where you dinghy ashore and have a beach BBQ in the evening and the moon shines a direct reflection over the water at you, it is as about as romantic as it will ever get.

If that does not work, it is time to find another woman.

Except for the seasickness you seem to have hit the right chord.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
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20 Mar 2014 2:13pm
We all have very similar experience. Guess BBQ or dolphins around is a pleaser, anything else must be explained and learned.
That applies to anyone on deck except experience sailor. Even simple instruction, keep the boat strait or take a slack from main.
Boat is of course in no time and main is on deck.
Do not assume ..... MOB or FIRE steps / in fact anything / must be clearly learned and repeated
a few times before even get to practise them. Otherwise ... Chaos..
Because some individual have difficulties to received instructions, the best approach is ..
Explain first....what I am going to do
And ask person how I wont them to help me...and show them how is done.
slainte
slainte
QLD
2246 posts
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20 Mar 2014 11:20pm
cisco said..

santanasaga said..

The missus doesnt really like sailing but luckily loves getting to the places you can only see on a boat. 15000nm later she still gets sea sick for or the first 24 hours...


There are women around that LOVE sailing but rarely it is the woman you marry. One of God's cruel jokes on blokes.

If you can get a woman to sail with you to a beautiful anchorage where you dinghy ashore and have a beach BBQ in the evening and the moon shines a direct reflection over the water at you, it is as about as romantic as it will ever get.



Except for the seasickness you seem to have hit the right chord.

Hehehehe Found one Cisco . 2nd parts bull**** though
madmission
madmission
VIC
234 posts
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21 Mar 2014 10:36am
I was an early adopter
At 17 introduced my wife to be to dry sanding my A class hulls between seasons
That worked sort of but what really done in the sailing thing for her was in the next season cartwheeling said A class with her on trapeze
from then my sailing days were numbered ...till i had kids to terrorize
it all turned out well in the end as i do enjoy solo sailing anyway!
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
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21 Mar 2014 10:24am
madmission said..


That worked sort of but what really done in the sailing thing for her was in the next season cartwheeling said A class with her on trapeze


That would do it for me too I think.

Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
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21 Mar 2014 8:10pm
Making it look easy is the key, to just step onto the jetty with line in hand. To look like you were born with a life jacket on, well maybe not for no sailor thinks its cool to wear one though.
The only reason your yelling at the crew is its windy and they are deaf, plus your married and they are hopeless and gee God what in hell's name did I do to deserve such a crew?
Hmmm, take my advice I'm not using it 'lone sailing' where your the captain, crew and wench oh I mean cook.

MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
21 Mar 2014 8:20pm
I try, I really do, but I like to sail my boat at best boat speed. Luckily the S&S has great stability so heel rarely gets over 10-15 degrees but my darling wife of 35 years just doesn't like it. I also am one who tends to be loud when I need to have something done NOW. I am lucky she is very forgiving and we have Broken Bay near at hand to pick up a mooring and watch the sunset.
I have taken her through MOB etc and am confident if I go over she can stop the boat and get it near me.
santanasaga
santanasaga
NSW
123 posts
NSW, 123 posts
21 Mar 2014 9:38pm
We ought to be thankful we have women that want to come anywhere near a boat. Sell the lifestyle gently, sail within their comfort zone or I guess you can always just buy a cat...

Otherwise the best thing that I ever did was send my beloved on a competent crew course (on the west coast of scotland) and a sea survival course. That gave her all the basics. And a lot of confidence.

It is worth persisting as there are some beautiful romantic anchorages out there and it is always nice to share them with someone...
cisco
cisco
QLD
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22 Mar 2014 2:36am
santanasaga said..

It is worth persisting as there are some beautiful romantic anchorages out there and it is always nice to share them with someone...


And that is what it is all about.

scruzin
scruzin
SA
564 posts
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22 Mar 2014 12:02pm
My wife loves spending nights on the boat, esp. in beautiful anchorages, but is less keen on the sailing part, esp. if its windier than 15knots and bumpy - which it usually is. So sometimes I'll sail to our destination and she'll drive there and I'll pick her up in the dinghy. Of course, it only works for reasonably close trips, not extended cruising. The nice thing is we have the car to explore on land, e.g., to visit wineries, etc., and the boat to explore on the water.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
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27 Mar 2014 9:13am
After reading this I'm going to tell my partner how lucky he is to have a woman who wants more sail up ,wants to go faster and says come on lets stick the spinnaker up.!!...(This is when he's whinging about having to do the foredeck work...).Mind you I want to do more of this on the new boat.
I love it when waves are crashing over the deck and the gunwhale is awash..( on the lake and in c 20kts offshore). I'd probably be a whimp in a storm.
Guys the downside to having a woman who knows how to sail and has a competitive streak ( I'm into GPS speed sailboarding) is that you can end up getting 2 skippers and arguing ....Mind you I've mellowed a little in my old age and at least ask nicely if I can helm..
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