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HG02
HG02
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26 Feb 2015 9:31pm
South Ace and some one else fitted these and I would like to know how happy every one is with them and where to buy

I want 1 1/2 ball valves and skin fittings and tails all 1 1/2 BSP and hose tails 38 mm two of each
Question How easy is the ball valve to turn

radar
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26 Feb 2015 10:32pm
we are happy with ours HG, easy to turn ,no electroysis worries
road teck marine are stockists, our local one has the full range

HG02
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26 Feb 2015 10:49pm
radar said..
we are happy with ours HG, easy to turn ,no electroysis worries
road teck marine are stockists, our local one has the full range



I'm having a little trouble after I rang them but I think I need to drop by and sort it out.
Id like to find out the price of the monitored ball valves. Would like to wire up the sea cock so the engine wont start with out the sea cock open. I guess that would be some thing else to go wrong
Last time I went RTM on a weekend I was determined to get a electric bilge pump plumbed up I ended up with reducers and reducers and also of stuff just to get the hose to the out let . its going when I get the time to fix properly .
Unless I get excaltly what I need I wont buy it I don't think there a full range where I go yet Ill see
Just the part numbers quoted and they also gave me the true design part numbers didn't match up with the true design web pages part numbers.

All I was worried about that there easy to turn
cisco
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26 Feb 2015 11:11pm
HG02 said..
Would like to wire up the sea cock so the engine wont start with out the sea cock open.


You have got it bad HG. You are worried about short term memory loss!!!

Is it substance abuse or old age??

When I was working on the Gladstone to Heron Island high speed transfer vessel, I had a prestart check list two and a half A4 pages long. Maybe you need something like that.
southace
southace
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26 Feb 2015 11:51pm
My 1 1/2 s/s ball seacoack I fitted 7 years ago was stiff from the start ......cheap chinese crap from whitworths. I'm now looking into using all chemical treated plastic valves on my wooden and FRP vessels.
HG02
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27 Feb 2015 12:34am
From the True design web site PDF web site you epoxy the skin fittings in place
Moocher
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27 Feb 2015 6:28pm
HG02 said..
From the True design web site PDF web site you epoxy the skin fittings in place


Hi H.G. just replaced one valve etc.,with a new Tru-Design skin fitting, 90 deg. bend, 32mm valve and hose tail last slipping. All are epoxied together, the skin fitting is recessed and epoxied in. I finished up getting them direct, they weren't happy, and said next time order through one of their retailers but allow extra time before you slip the boat. This is for the holding tank so it will get a fair bit of use. I have another 11 to change so if this works well then I'll definitly be changing them all, they say they guarantee them for life, so you should never have to change them? I read about them on another forum and those that had installed them were very happy, so far for me 3 months down the track no problem. While I'm at it I absolutely love what your doing to "Driftwood" and would dearly love to see her when she's finished. I have a soft spot for them as I raced on the old timber ones as a young boy and keenly remember tacking back from Lion Island in a southerly buster with just a mizzen and headsail, they were very wet boats though but seemed to handle whatever was thrown at them. Anyway hope this helps and keep posting those pictures, regards.
SandS
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27 Feb 2015 7:20pm
The 1"1/2 ones are a bit tough to turn . The smaller ones are easy .


HG . Re . engine start linked to water valve . I have heard of keeping the key hanging on the handle of the valve .
radar
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27 Feb 2015 7:49pm
that will work every time HG
HG02
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27 Feb 2015 8:20pm
radar said..
that will work every time HG



I email True Design last night they responded .From what I under stand the RTM people gave me a order package part numbers not the True design part numbers That what was confusing .Ill drop by next week to RTK and see how things go Ill take the true design part numbers with me.
They did suggest contacting the distributors here in Oz
www.amisales.com.au/
www.amisales.com.au/plumbing-c-6909.html
HG02
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27 Feb 2015 11:12pm
radar said..
that will work every time HG


Radar question for you
I want to fit a larger inlet seacock the original is 1 inch . I want to add two other out lets the head and also a deck wash pump so I thought 11/2 I.D. inlet would give me more input flow to compensate . I cant really see all three would be use all at once but the deck wash and my old Bukh would I think the Bukh would use 17 liters maximum revs so motoring toward a anchor washing the chain the amount of cooling water would be reduced to at least half that if not more.

radar
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28 Feb 2015 8:55am
have seen quite a few boats with this done, only 2 skin fittings to worry about
inch and a half will supply more than enough water for that job
we have two one inch skin fittings ,inlet supplies toilet and deck wash,
outlet for gravity drain of holding tank works great
HG02
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1 Mar 2015 5:06pm
radar said..
have seen quite a few boats with this done, only 2 skin fittings to worry about
inch and a half will supply more than enough water for that job
we have two one inch skin fittings ,inlet supplies toilet and deck wash,
outlet for gravity drain of holding tank works great


Would I be better fitting two one ich skin fittings rather trying to make the engine cooling system and deck wash and head coming out of one inlet.
or one 11/2 to do all three
I dont think the engine would use 10 liters in a minuet and the deck wash is 20 per minuter I cant see Ill ever use all three at once the engine uses more than the 10 liters but thats at full revs 17 liters ( probably less )
The water pump is 3/4 full at sea level
Wish I knew the formula to work the flow out
radar
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1 Mar 2015 6:34pm
inch and a half will supply all 3 at the same time
I dont think one inch will ,better be safe than sorry
engine inlets are usually three quarter or one inch on engines
under 22 hp and deck wash pumps only need half inch
Jode5
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1 Mar 2015 9:21pm
I would not even consider sharing a sea cock for more that one thing especially the motor sea water. Most equipment suppliers demand an seperate sea cock. If this is such a good thing why do all boat manufactures install seperate sea cocks. There are a number of reasons why they install individule cocks, which I am not going into now. I have just fitted soft wood plugs to all 24 sea cocks on my boat. Hanse have one area that has about 10 sea cocks all side by side including the motor intake. It would be a lot easer to install one big sea cock but is is just not done. The last thing you want to do is cook you motor. Go and talk to Bukh and see what they think.
cisco
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1 Mar 2015 10:59pm
Jode5 said..
I would not even consider sharing a sea cock for more that one thing especially the motor sea water. Most equipment suppliers demand an seperate sea cock. If this is such a good thing why do all boat manufactures install seperate sea cocks. There are a number of reasons why they install individule cocks, which I am not going into now. I have just fitted soft wood plugs to all 24 sea cocks on my boat. Hanse have one area that has about 10 sea cocks all side by side including the motor intake. It would be a lot easer to install one big sea cock but is is just not done. The last thing you want to do is cook you motor. Go and talk to Bukh and see what they think.


I agree in principal as in not sharing the engine intake with anything else. However other service sea water intakes can quite safely fed from one sea cock connected to a manifold with cocks to feed the required service.

It is a matter of knowing one's yacht intimately.
LooseChange
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2 Mar 2015 12:11am
I don't know if they still do it, Amel yachts in La Rochelle only used to have one water intake on the hull.
HG02
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2 Mar 2015 12:18am
cisco said..

Jode5 said..
I would not even consider sharing a sea cock for more that one thing especially the motor sea water. Most equipment suppliers demand an seperate sea cock. If this is such a good thing why do all boat manufactures install seperate sea cocks. There are a number of reasons why they install individule cocks, which I am not going into now. I have just fitted soft wood plugs to all 24 sea cocks on my boat. Hanse have one area that has about 10 sea cocks all side by side including the motor intake. It would be a lot easer to install one big sea cock but is is just not done. The last thing you want to do is cook you motor. Go and talk to Bukh and see what they think.



I agree in principal as in not sharing the engine intake with anything else. However other service sea water intakes can quite safely fed from one sea cock connected to a manifold with cocks to feed the required service.

It is a matter of knowing one's yacht intimately.


Your both right Its called K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid similar to B.O.A.T. so ill buy three skin fittings assemblies ball valves and 1 inch hose tails it will make it simpler to fit up and I know I have cooling water and some how I don't think the deck wash and TMC head wont be used at the same time .
Question a TMC macerator head should be good with a 1 inch out let?
Theres not a lot of choice out there for sea cock manifolds so Ill go with an extra sea cock for the deck wash and head . I know if I do that I can relax and not worry about a staving engine cooling system when I'm motoring
HG02
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5 Mar 2015 9:21pm
Question head inlet and out let on opposite sides on the hull would be best can you compromise or not?
SandS
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5 Mar 2015 9:44pm
HG02 said..
Question head inlet and out let on opposite sides on the hull would be best can you compromise or not?



same side is fine ........................
LooseChange
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6 Mar 2015 12:14am
HG02 said..
Question head inlet and out let on opposite sides on the hull would be best can you compromise or not?


Are you hoping for a cross flow head?
HG02
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6 Mar 2015 6:49am
LooseChange said..

HG02 said..
Question head inlet and out let on opposite sides on the hull would be best can you compromise or not?



Are you hoping for a cross flow head?


do you do any port polishing L.C.
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