Unlucky or bad seamanship?

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twodogs1969
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sirgallivant
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15 Jan 2018 6:44pm
Whatever the cause, one's heart is breaking looking at the pictures. It looked like a very well kept boat!
Strewth!


twodogs1969
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15 Jan 2018 6:51pm
sirgallivant said..
Whatever the cause, one's heart is breaking looking at the pictures. It looked like a very well kept boat!
Strewth!



Via the stories looks like the same boat both times.
MorningBird
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15 Jan 2018 7:09pm
Lovely boat, undeserving owners.
Bananabender
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15 Jan 2018 7:31pm
Same boat ?different crews .
southace
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15 Jan 2018 8:11pm
Where's the connection I can see none? Can't really even see the boat in tassie on the rocks?
andy59
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15 Jan 2018 8:17pm
southace said..
Where's the connection I can see none? Can't really even see the boat in tassie on the rocks?


Its the same boat name "Clair de Lune"
andy59
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15 Jan 2018 8:19pm
southace said..
Where's the connection I can see none? Can't really even see the boat in tassie on the rocks?


Its the same boat name "Clair de Lune"
fishmonkey
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15 Jan 2018 9:32pm
the Brisbane Times article says that the first boat is 12 m, but the YBW article claims it was a 25 footer?

www.ybw.com/news-from-yachting-boating-world/classic-yacht-clair-de-lune-sinks-off-the-coast-of-brisbane-45303
JAKE123
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15 Jan 2018 10:07pm
Flatrock is pretty close to shore wonder why they set off the life raft. Tender probably would have been easier?
Ramona
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16 Jan 2018 8:24am
fishmonkey said..
the Brisbane Times article says that the first boat is 12 m, but the YBW article claims it was a 25 footer?

www.ybw.com/news-from-yachting-boating-world/classic-yacht-clair-de-lune-sinks-off-the-coast-of-brisbane-45303


Compare the height of the owner with the length of the hull. Easily 40 feet. Bad journalism.

I'm guessing the owners have full comprehensive insurance in lieu of any seamanship skills!
Bruski068
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16 Jan 2018 8:45am
anyone know if the rock they hit was marked as a hazard on the charts or on the nav. equipment they were using, if it was then it's bad seamanship, if not then just terrible luck.
Jode5
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16 Jan 2018 7:56am
Bruski068 said..
anyone know if the rock they hit was marked as a hazard on the charts or on the nav. equipment they were using, if it was then it's bad seamanship, if not then just terrible luck.


Flat Rock is will marked and will known. No excuses, day or night.
Bruski068
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16 Jan 2018 9:05am
Jode5 said..

Bruski068 said..
anyone know if the rock they hit was marked as a hazard on the charts or on the nav. equipment they were using, if it was then it's bad seamanship, if not then just terrible luck.



Flat Rock is will marked and will known. No excuses, day or night.


Thank you, I've never sailed N. Straddy so didn't know definitely bad seamanship then.
Ramona
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16 Jan 2018 9:06am
Bruski068 said..
anyone know if the rock they hit was marked as a hazard on the charts or on the nav. equipment they were using, if it was then it's bad seamanship, if not then just terrible luck.


I think you can consider any rock as a hazard!
sirgallivant
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16 Jan 2018 12:00pm
It is disappointing how quick the judges are - repeatedly - in their condemnation without the full knowledge of the incident.

This sloppy criticism is akin to the sloppy journalism mentioned above.

What happened to the "giving one the benefit of the doubt" principle?

twodogs1969
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16 Jan 2018 12:18pm
It will be interesting to find out the real reasons behind the 2 incidents which appear to be the same vessel.
One would think after the first you would be double cautious and make sure a similar incident does not happen again especially so close to the last one.
Wonder if we EVER will find out what really happened.
Most root causes of incidents are hidden from the general public so we don' have the opportunity to learn from these.
What ever was the cause of the Queensland boat that was lost last year on the return from Hobart On Tap?
fishmonkey
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16 Jan 2018 12:21pm
even if it's the same boat, it's not the same people involved...
Toph
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16 Jan 2018 9:37am
Marine Traffic has a New Caledonian flagged yacht named Clair De Lune off the Tassie coast. I didn't zoom in enough to determine exact location but was just off Port Authur where the Coral Expedition vessel was.

99% sure it is a different yacht to the one of Stradbroke Is. After watching how beat up the one off Strady was, Im closer to 100%.

sirgallivant said..
It is disappointing how quick the judges are - repeatedly - in their condemnation without the full knowledge of the incident.



Damn right
sirgallivant
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16 Jan 2018 2:09pm
Few points to make:

The two incidents, obviously involving two different vessels - one is white decked while the other is a classic looking dark timber decked boat - bearing the same name must be a freak occurrence. (better look out if your yacht's name is the same, it might be endemic)

Why was the raft launched in the first place? There is a good size inflatable floating around.

Why was the raft launched on the windward side? Wonder how the sharp edges on the bow did not hole the raft being tossed around by the waves like it was.

Why was the raft not double tethered?

While the young chap was wearing a MaeWest type "lifesaver" on the top of his backpack the old chap only had a murderous backpack on his person. Had he fallen into the water while struggling with the waves getting on the raft, his backpack would have been his death.

I hope, for his sake, he had a valid insurance.

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