Used Hunter 280 advice for a new sailor..

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Bazzacuda
Bazzacuda
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7 Jul 2017 1:56pm
www.buyaboat.com.au/buyaboat/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/hunter-280/201905

https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/hunter-280/201905

We are a family with two young children who have inspected this boat and it would fit our needs nicely, enough room inside for what we have planned on it (days out on lake macquarie etc). Occasional overnight stay. Uncluttered deck with the simple traveller, boom height is good for a family and leisure sailors, and overall a good design for a 28 footer.

Having previously owned power trailer boats, we are new to sailing but have lots of family members who are very experienced to show us how.

Just wondering what people's thoughts are with regard to this one. It needs a good polish, there is a bit of glaze style cracking in the gelcoat around the hull, and it also needs possibly a few windows replaced (they are watertight, just opaque and unable to see through due to age). Obviously a survey would be undertaken prior to purchase and any nasties below the surface hopefully identified.

Also, any ideas on what it is worth. Advertised for $45000 ono.

Thanks for any advice.
Fly on da wall
Fly on da wall
SA
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7 Jul 2017 1:51pm
That's a lovely boat. Great Value and very comfortable. Very nice!
Ramona
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7 Jul 2017 5:32pm
In today's market that is a very expensive 28 footer. 45 grand will buy you a hell of a nice yacht!
Fly on da wall
Fly on da wall
SA
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7 Jul 2017 6:51pm
45 grand could buy you A lot more boat and headaches, and end up taking out the pleasure of just going sailing with family. It depends on your requirements. That's a nice boat at a fair price and would definitely give a lot of pleasure to some people. Compared to a lemon or 30+ year old heap of junk... Each to their own!
southace
southace
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7 Jul 2017 7:04pm
I have always been a fan of the American hunter boats. No backstay easy to sail. Nice new looking yanmar. Great boat for the lake or a bay cruise. 35k would be a great first offer!
dreamliner
dreamliner
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7 Jul 2017 7:38pm
Never been a real fan of the hunters but this one does look good, its a fairly new listing so not much chance of discount.
southace
southace
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7 Jul 2017 7:25pm
dreamliner said..
Never been a real fan of the hunters but this one does look good, its a fairly new listing so not much chance of discount.


Why not Dreamliner? From what researched while looking at buying was they are a good large volume production yacht.
dreamliner
dreamliner
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7 Jul 2017 8:23pm
southace said..

dreamliner said..
Never been a real fan of the hunters but this one does look good, its a fairly new listing so not much chance of discount.



Why not Dreamliner? From what researched while looking at buying was they are a good large volume production yacht.


Been on a few 34 and 36 Hunters over the years although they were charter yachts , first impressions can do a lot of damage
when somethings not maintained.
southace
southace
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7 Jul 2017 7:58pm
Well that applies to most yachts.
Chris 249
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7 Jul 2017 9:24pm
Boats are incredibly personal - if it does what you want go for it. The sugar scoop stern would be good for kids. It's not a bargain nor a rip-off; most 28 footers are much older so it's hard to compare value. Not a great long-distance boat but fun around the lake. One thing I'd be concerned about is the apparent lack of working space in the galley.

The ad says you'll win a trophy or two but you'd need a good handicap! In the USA the standard rating for the 280 is 204. That puts it a minute or two slower around a racecourse than a Thunderbird, Noelex 25, Seaway 25, Sonata 8 (ie a 25 foot '70s cruiser/racer) and not far ahead of an Endeavour 26. That's surprisingly slow, but of course that may not matter to you at all and nor should it.
Madmouse
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7 Jul 2017 7:38pm
The shallow wing keel might adversely affect the Hunter's upwind performance. However, for general sailing it should be fine. A good family boat.
Ringle
Ringle
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7 Jul 2017 9:56pm
Like most things American it looks like it has great comforts and as a family boat that may be what you want.

It is a shoal draft version which means it's not going to race that well.

The check whether the exhaust elbow has been done recently, they generally have a 10 to 15 year lifespan. If the corrosion extends to the heat exchanger it can be a $1500 dollar job.
Sydney88
Sydney88
NSW
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7 Jul 2017 10:58pm
I always thought Hunters were a POS after reading this review back in the day
www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/hunter28.htm I love this guy his reviews are brutal but pretty much spot on the money. TBH if I was spending that money id save up a little more and try get a Catalina 310 or 34 mk2 if you can stretch that far as it is a much more practical size and boat.

Another one of my favourite reviews from David Pascoe if anyones bored:
www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/mochi50.htm

I don't know why but I always found his reviews very comical working at a marina when I was younger it was always a laugh seeing all the "experts" buying there slick american and european boats telling the old salts how superior they were etc. I remember some guy brought an approx. 50ft Cruisers brand boat that was a massive boat back then anyway his son took it out the heads at full speed into the swell and it flexed and twisted so bad all the joinery popped out apparently it was a write off but I never found out if it was covered by insurance but I do remember it sitting in rose bay rotting away for ages after the event.
boty
boty
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8 Jul 2017 8:22am
Chris 249 said..
Boats are incredibly personal - if it does what you want go for it. The sugar scoop stern would be good for kids. It's not a bargain nor a rip-off; most 28 footers are much older so it's hard to compare value. Not a great long-distance boat but fun around the lake. One thing I'd be concerned about is the apparent lack of working space in the galley.

The ad says you'll win a trophy or two but you'd need a good handicap! In the USA the standard rating for the 280 is 204. That puts it a minute or two slower around a racecourse than a Thunderbird, Noelex 25, Seaway 25, Sonata 8 (ie a 25 foot '70s cruiser/racer) and not far ahead of an Endeavour 26. That's surprisingly slow, but of course that may not matter to you at all and nor should it.


from what i have seen of larger hunters on the race course i would say 10 minuets slower than a sonata 8 would be good that doesn't mean it isn't the right boat for someone with all that space inside just not me
Bazzacuda
Bazzacuda
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8 Jul 2017 8:44am
Thanks everyone for the advice. We are not so much worried about racing it, for us its a family adventure we can all learn together and have some room inside. For that reason we are after a volume boat more than a speed boat.

The galley is small but does enough for one or two nights on the water, and the rest seems to work. We are certainly not expecting a palace in a 28 footer, but this does have more room than other comparable boats this size.

The shallow draft is an advantage for us in areas we will use the boat (lake mac has plenty of shallow areas). While we will be super conservative and not risk going anywhere it needs it, for us it will work (particularly if we motor up the swansea channel). It's not a deal breaker, and if the right boat with a standard keel comes up we will also be happy with that.

We have had some advice and are in no rush, when the right buy comes up will go ahead. There have been some more expensive newer models that have a few more maintenance headaches due, but given this one's size and relative simplicity it seems to fit the bill. We will make an offer based on what our friends who have lots of sailing experience think, and if it comes off then great, if not the search continues. In order to make it our own, we will be prepared to spend the cash to do what needs to be done. At this price with a slush fund is better than spending 70K and not enjoying having to fork out another 10 or 15 to get it up to scratch.

Obviously the wife and kids are happy with comfort over speed, and getting the fun sheriff to agree to the purchase is half the battle.

If anyone knows of anything else available that might be right, we are open to thoughts. Been great browsing through here as there is a wealth of information available.

Again thank you for taking the time to give us your thoughts.
Ramona
Ramona
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8 Jul 2017 8:47am
45 grand puts you into real yacht territory. We all have different tastes and requirements. I would be looking at SS34's, UFO 34's, Carter 33's[aft cockpit], Duncanson 34's and leave the rest of the money in the bank. For a young family however I would think centre cockpit and a Carter passage or a Mottle 33. These boats are fairly low in price now and have leveled off to some extent. The Hunters are in the love it or hate it class and might be hard to move in a couple of years.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/carter-passage-33-centre-cockpit-cruiser/204234
Ringle
Ringle
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8 Jul 2017 9:07am
Ramona said..
45 grand puts you into real yacht territory. We all have different tastes and requirements. I would be looking at SS34's, UFO 34's, Carter 33's[aft cockpit], Duncanson 34's and leave the rest of the money in the bank. For a young family however I would think centre cockpit and a Carter passage or a Mottle 33. These boats are fairly low in price now and have leveled off to some extent. The Hunters are in the love it or hate it class and might be hard to move in a couple of years.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/carter-passage-33-centre-cockpit-cruiser/204234


That's a nice find. That would be perfect. It's obviously been given a lot of care and attention.

I think what everyone is touching on is a boat that sails `well'. It's not necessarily about racing, it's about moving through the water sweetly, pointing well and being `sure footed'. A shoal draft Hunter may disappoint.

6 Foot of draft is fine inside the Lake and, to be quite frank, you only use the channel to go offshore which means if you are attentive to high tide you will be fine using the channel.
southace
southace
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8 Jul 2017 9:08am
Being shoal draft doesn't mean it won't point well , my Adams 42 is shoal draft and sails 30 degrees to windward.
The hunter shoal draft has a simular weight as a deep keel although the weight is spread out across a wing keel. Cross track error , drift and windage could be effected but it should still point. It's my understanding that model is not a racing boat.
Chris 249
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8 Jul 2017 10:14am
Bazzacuda said..
Thanks everyone for the advice. We are not so much worried about racing it, for us its a family adventure we can all learn together and have some room inside. For that reason we are after a volume boat more than a speed boat.

The galley is small but does enough for one or two nights on the water, and the rest seems to work. We are certainly not expecting a palace in a 28 footer, but this does have more room than other comparable boats this size.

The shallow draft is an advantage for us in areas we will use the boat (lake mac has plenty of shallow areas). While we will be super conservative and not risk going anywhere it needs it, for us it will work (particularly if we motor up the swansea channel). It's not a deal breaker, and if the right boat with a standard keel comes up we will also be happy with that.

We have had some advice and are in no rush, when the right buy comes up will go ahead. There have been some more expensive newer models that have a few more maintenance headaches due, but given this one's size and relative simplicity it seems to fit the bill. We will make an offer based on what our friends who have lots of sailing experience think, and if it comes off then great, if not the search continues. In order to make it our own, we will be prepared to spend the cash to do what needs to be done. At this price with a slush fund is better than spending 70K and not enjoying having to fork out another 10 or 15 to get it up to scratch.

Obviously the wife and kids are happy with comfort over speed, and getting the fun sheriff to agree to the purchase is half the battle.

If anyone knows of anything else available that might be right, we are open to thoughts. Been great browsing through here as there is a wealth of information available.

Again thank you for taking the time to give us your thoughts.


Just to emphasise, the point wasn't about racing per se, but about speed as an indication of sailing ability. Hunters tend to sacrifice speed and having a well-balanced helm in order to get more interior space at low cost. It probably wouldn't be as easy to sail back from the island in a big nor'easter as many other boats.

That could be perfectly fine for you; every boat is a floating collection of compromises and this one has some good points for your purposes. You may just need to either switch on the motor earlier than with many other boats, or have to concentrate more on the sail trim and helming. You may just want to be fairly conservative with your choice of sailing days.
Bazzacuda
Bazzacuda
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8 Jul 2017 11:01am
Ramona thanks for the link. That style also looks good and I can see your points with regards to the Hunter brands. Will look again at those other ones.
FreeRadical
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8 Jul 2017 9:26am
It looks like the sort of boat my family would enjoy. Modern looking, simple, clean, light, bright, airy. For my better half, those are the kinds of things that matter and are what keep her willing to come out sailing with the kids. Also, with younger kids, spare time is a premium, so a low maintenance boat is essential to enable a good balance with other activities. That tends to mean neat volume production boats from around the mid 90's on.

But, don't dismiss the potential for racing. We bought our boat with the idea of just family days and short overnights, and now end up using it for racing quite a bit. Time over, I would probably go a slightly more racer orientated boat, or at least one more kitted out for racing, that is still quite comfortable and able to easily sail short handed.

Around 30ft,

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/beneteau-oceanis-281-immaculate-cruising-yacht-with-air-con/197247

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/catalina-270-le-catalina-27-le-immaculate-price-to-sell-urgently/204522

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/catalina-28-mk-ii/194501

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/northshore-310/194258
Bruski068
Bruski068
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8 Jul 2017 11:28am
At first glance, I think it is a little over priced for a 21 year old boat, of course it depends on a lot of variables such as when was the rigging last replaced, what conditions the sails are in, how many hours has the engine done since it's last overhaul etc. It looks nice in the pictures but how long ago were they taken, definitely get a thorough survey done on it and go from there.
Madmouse
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8 Jul 2017 2:00pm
Consider for example the space, perfomance and versatility of a Noelex 30 for similar money.
Ramona
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Donk107
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13 Jul 2017 7:50pm
dreamliner said..

FreeRadical said..
http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/northshore-27/205121



nice


I went from a 20 footer to a 28 and wish now that i had bought a 32-34 footer instead of the 28 as it would still be small enough to manage and maintain but have a fair bit more interior room and storage for extended sailing

My thoughts and others might disagree

Regards Don
dreamliner
dreamliner
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13 Jul 2017 9:40pm
actually two on lake Macquarie forsale

www.buyaboat.com.au/buyaboat/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/northshore-27/180933
Ramona
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14 Jul 2017 8:27am
Donk107 said..

dreamliner said..


FreeRadical said..
http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/northshore-27/205121




nice



I went from a 20 footer to a 28 and wish now that i had bought a 32-34 footer instead of the 28 as it would still be small enough to manage and maintain but have a fair bit more interior room and storage for extended sailing

My thoughts and others might disagree

Regards Don


No I agree entirely. The Northshore 27's are nice boats for harbour sailing but too light for offshore stuff.
Watermark
Watermark
NSW
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15 Jul 2017 9:53am
I think it would be worth checking out some online reviews of Hunter 28s. I just had a look at a couple and they were not great. I have sailed on a Hunter 30 and it seemed fairly tender, not something you want for a relatively inexperienced family as they could find it scary. I will admit I am a fan of Catalina as they are generally a more solid boat than Hunter but I would maybe suggest a Catalina 28 or 30 could be worth consideration. There s a Catalina 30 for sale at the moment on Lake Macquarie with Rod Mackay, could be worth a look? Catalina 310 could also work for you.
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