WA boat licence frustration

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gdtrip
gdtrip
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
25 May 2006 2:34pm
Is any sailor as cross as I am about having to complete the WA stinkboat licence course?

My parents owned a yacht, so I was sailing in my carrycot! I owned 2 yachts over 11 years in UK, and I've sailed them on inshore and blue water for 50odd years. But I have only owned one, and so had one registered in my name in WA, for the past 2 years, and you have to have had one registered in your name for 4 years by 2007 to get the licence without doing the course.

The licence is not necessary for boats with small outboards, presumably because of their limited speed. My current boat has a 10hp diesel auxilary that drives it at all of 6.2kn flat out, but I've got to do the basic handling course to get the ticket to keep it.

Surely we could get organised to get the same waiver for such ?
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
25 May 2006 6:43pm
ive grown up around boats and have had a tl3 4 the last 3.5 years (im nearly 16) and have found that people in my position in a couple of years will be limited to 8 knots in daylight hours only. ive been to rotto at night a couple of times and the like and would consider myself a far more competent skipper than the average adult weekend boater yet if i was in this position next year would be restricted to 8 knots in daylight hours only. surely if you have the same qualification you should have the same rights. and i had to go get a eye check for it, at least i can say ive got perfect vision
Scruffy
Scruffy
5 posts
5 posts
31 May 2006 12:58pm
I don't agree with all the rules - But I am looking forward to the lunatics out there having no excuse for some of the stupid stuff you see on the water.

My biggest concern is that the rules seem to assume that stink boats are the only things that float - I hope they teach the full set of collision rules and don't expect me to alter course to pass them on the right.

I am not sure of the reason to impose the 6hp limit. Is it so the licenced operator isn't the only one able to operate the tender (with <6hp outboard) to get to shore and back? or so that by imposing a lower power limit that canoes, windsurfers, row boats, and surfboards don't get caught up in the mix? This is the loop hole I jump through that allows my SS22 to go anywhere without a licenced operator because the outboard is only 5hp.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
31 May 2006 1:53pm
Just out of interest, how much is the ticket?

Whilst I understand the concerns of the more experienced boaties, surely the inconvenience of getting the ticket
(which if you have had the experience surely you will have no problem passing)
will be outweighed by the fact that some of the complete dorks you see at the launching ramps, who obviously have no bloody idea whatsoever, will now have to show some level of competency before they are allowed on the water.
gdtrip
gdtrip
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
31 May 2006 8:46pm
Yes, it's really tough on younger sensible and well trained boaties. For me? Well, it's one more thing to find the time to do, but Scruffy's got a good point (if it works as he hopes), and what with Grumplestiltskin's way to view it, maybe I cd change my attitude and try to enjoy and get something out of it anyway. Thanks to you all.
Scruffy
Scruffy
5 posts
5 posts
1 Jun 2006 1:28pm
A very quick search turns up the cheapest at the moment is $210 from Challanger TAFE.

Various exemptions and reductions apply....

I believe that only one person onboard needs to have the ticket and that doesn't actually need to be the driver. Hopefully for those that know what they are doing there will be assesment only options so we can go down, take the theory and practical test, and leave without sitting through the whole day (and the full $200).

If you think these restrictions are bad - have a read of some of the regulations coming out of Victoria at the moment regarding mandatory lifejackets. The current "Cruising Helmsman" has a sail boat's review of the different state regs as you head around the country. Worth a look if you can get a copy.
capt.bung-eye
capt.bung-eye
WA
41 posts
WA, 41 posts
5 Jul 2006 9:37pm
the rst (rec skippers ticket ) is cheaper than that. around 150.
i have a friend who is a rst authorised assessor, if we get a few people together he will give a good price.
i did mine a few weeks ago and it was good fun, 30 multi choice questions , than a practical,
all in all good value, on a new 26' boat.
snowman
snowman
VIC
275 posts
VIC, 275 posts
6 Jul 2006 8:08am
Hi, there is a similar thing in Victoria from what I gather (Haven't really had look so ignore me if it is different! ).
If this is about the same quality of the Victorian one then anyone with basic boat knowledge should pass, they have online info and dummy tests you shouldn't need to a actual course they offer them here too!

Any way here is a link t the vitorian one
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrne5nav.nsf/alltitle/Vehicles-Boats

king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
10 Jul 2006 11:31am
I got my boat licence in South Australia 1986 at 16 years of age before the car, and later completed my Masterclass 5 MED 2 STCW95 in freo .I could believe that in Wesstern Australia u didnt have to be licenced for any vessel , appart from the commercial stuff.

Considering your opperating ---with all these schoolies going to Rottness and on the river all pissed up, i couldnt believe WHAT I SAW.
May be thats why i refuse to get involved with skippering the so called party boats, you think being at the night club is dangerous try dealing with 200 plus pissed people totally oblivious to any boating dangers what so ever.


Any way at least the young crew learn the basics now. as for the revenue and anual fees thats what sux.



kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
10 Jul 2006 6:03pm
my dad had to pay $30 to get the guy to look at his certificate that would exempt him from the tests and stuff. the guy took a 5 sec look and said that will do-$30 please
Radmac
Radmac
WA
201 posts
WA, 201 posts
11 Jul 2006 5:33am
Came to WA 25 years ago.

At that time there was no Sunday pub trading, no petrol stations open on the weekend (or after 6), no cafes, no americas cup, a lot less people, and street lights were turned off at 11 - no need for lights as noone was out after 10.

But even back then my 16 yo brother in law had to have a boating licence to take the tinnie out on Copeton Dam.

A lot has changed in Perth since then .... there are lot more people for one thing. A licence is a small cost compared to cost of a boat.

There are too many people who lost there life on the water out of stupidity (I can quote 2 very sad occasions off the top of my head). The licence may give them a bit more knowledge or perhaps stop some of the stupid ones.
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