Went for a sail on Maxi Ragamuffin the other day

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Donk107
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16 Feb 2014 1:44pm
I had the opportunity to spend the day on Maxi Ragamuffin sailing on the Derwent last Saturday

www.whitsundaytimes.com.au/news/new-journey-for-maxi-ragamuffin/2118583/

She went well but everything to do with sailing her was hard work compared to the 30 footers I usually sail

Not sure i am cut out to sail big boats

Regards Don

Supersonic27
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16 Feb 2014 1:59pm
Good to see the old girl get a new lease of life!

Be interesting to see how she goes in the Hobart against the modern boats. I imagine the TP52's and boats around that size will beat her over the line......she may do well under handicap with the age allowance.

Rick
Donk107
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16 Feb 2014 2:43pm
She will need a bit of work done before she competes in any serious offshore races

Regards Don
Donk107
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16 Feb 2014 6:45pm
She was also the first boat i have sailed on with running backstays and that made tacking a bit of a chore but i imagine with the racing she was designed for there wouldn't have been a lot of frequent tacking

Regards Don
southace
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16 Feb 2014 6:49pm
I did a trial run as skipper in the Whitsunday's on her, day trips 30 pax , 12 hour days for just under $220 per day wages........ I gave it a miss and ended up on a 52ft Adams with just 12 pax doing overnight trips for about the same money!
Donk107
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17 Feb 2014 8:08pm
Hi Southace

I was wondering how long ago you had a sail on her and what sort of condition she was in at the time

Regards Don
southace
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17 Feb 2014 8:23pm


Hi Southace

I was wondering how long ago you had a sail on her and what sort of condition she was in at the time

Regards Don


Donk107 said..

Hi Southace

I was wondering how long ago you had a sail on her and what sort of condition she was in at the time

Regards Don


Was approx 3 years ago, condition was reasonable from what I saw on the day. I think it was about 6 months after my trial when she was decommissioned.
cisco
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18 Feb 2014 12:32am
Donk107 said..

Hi Southace

I was wondering how long ago you had a sail on her and what sort of condition she was in at the time

Regards Don


There is hardly a charter yacht in the Whitsundays that is properly maintained and in good condition. The backpackers have screwed the prices down so much that the charter yachts only make money on the extras like diving, grog and lollies etc.

The backpackers have buggered Airlie Beach just like everywhere else they go to.
southace
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18 Feb 2014 1:18am
Now now CISCO I worked one of the finest sports boats there....had 3 head sails to choice from and a brand new main......it was immaculate. I know of 2 other reasonable boats still running and maintained. But if your refuring to such as ,Mandrake, Spankme, Matador ,and freight train I do understand where your coming from but this is the due to bad managment not the backpackers. If there where no backpackers Airlie beach would be a ghost town.
cisco
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18 Feb 2014 9:26am
southace said..

If there where no backpackers Airlie beach would be a ghost town.



Unfortunately yes. Real people don't go there anymore.

southace
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18 Feb 2014 2:21pm
Well im real and I'm looking forward to my next Cruising and diving adventure in the near future at the Whitsunday's.
I have noticed most Queenslanders seem to stay on the land. It's mostly backpackers that want to explore our natural wonders. It seems most of the Aussie generation are too busy making family's and working to pay there mortgages for there flash cars and houses.. Only the rare occasion I would have the odd couple on a sailing/snorkel charter in the Whitsunday's.
Supersonic27
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18 Feb 2014 10:41pm
southace said..

Now now CISCO I worked one of the finest sports boats there....had 3 head sails to choice from and a brand new main......it was immaculate. I know of 2 other reasonable boats still running and maintained. But if your refuring to such as ,Mandrake, Spankme, Matador ,and freight train I do understand where your coming from but this is the due to bad managment not the backpackers. If there where no backpackers Airlie beach would be a ghost town.




Hey mate do you know anything about the Derwent Hunter?

Just idle curiosity, she is for sale, and as a going business may be a reasonable sort of investment

Rick
southace
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18 Feb 2014 10:30pm
Yep it takes about 3.5 hours on a sports racer to get out to the islands.....Derwent Hunter basically took over Ragamuffins trip, I would expect a certain kind of cliental onboard a classic old Lugger. I think the only way to make a dollar in the Whitsunday's is have a fast fuel efficient passenger transporter.

I'm not sure the reason why they took the DH from overnighters to day trips but I would imagine it would be hard to fill seats compared to the fast ferries,sports boats and Camira the 70 ft sailing Cat that does Daily trips all the way to Whitehaven beach not just to the nearest island..

She would be a great boat for Tassie! Wooden boats don't like the tropics.
cisco
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19 Feb 2014 1:18am
southace said..

Well im real and I'm looking forward to my next Cruising and diving adventure in the near future at the Whitsunday's.
I have noticed most Queenslanders seem to stay on the land. It's mostly backpackers that want to explore our natural wonders. It seems most of the Aussie generation are too busy making family's and working to pay there mortgages for there flash cars and houses.. Only the rare occasion I would have the odd couple on a sailing/snorkel charter in the Whitsunday's.


Working on a charter vessel in the Whitsundays is a ton of fun. I was doing it as engineer on the Whitsunday Princess in 1975 when she was a brand new 100 ft Millcraft day trip vessel based at Hayman Island. With all the waitresses on Hayman there was more crumpet than you could poke your stick at.

It was 6 to 7 days a week though and no opportunity to get off the island on days off so I pulled the pin after nine weeks. I then got a job on Heron Island as engineer on their Gladstone to Heron transfer vessel which was more of the same shizz.

I pulled the pin there and went to Mackay and got an engineer's job on the Roylen Cruisers which were OLD WW II inshore minesweepers converted to tourist vessels doing 5 day, 4 night cruises ex Mackay, up around the Whitsundays and back carrying a crew of 8 and 25 passengers.

For three months I had the time of my life. The passengers were paying $175 for their trip and I was being paid $175 per week to keep the old Vianne afloat. Had to pump it minimum 6 hours a day to stop it sinking. The season dropped off and last hired was first fired so I went to Kiwiland and got paid more than Piggy Muldoon as a pipeline welder.

There were three ex converted SAR crash boats doing day trips out of Shute and only 2 yachts working the area. They were the Piver Victress (same as Donald Crowhurst's ill fated vessel) called "Trinity" and a steeley called "Nari". They got flogged to death. Bareboats were not even thought of then and backpackers did not exist.

All the punters were real people mostly from Aus and Kiwi. The reason why Aussies don't go there anymore is because it is not promoted to them anymore.

I went back to the Whitsundays in 1989 with my very own ex racing charter yacht which was an aluminium 42 foot Peterson IOR 2 tonner and contracted with "Charter 20" which was exclusively in the backpacker market, hated by all the other operators and were as worse a bunch of rogues as God ever put breath into. Wouldn't pay me for 60 days after each charter. A month and I was out of there and up to Cairns to work my very good marine parks permit which over the next two years slowly sent me broke.

Yes I needed a bigger boat with bigger numbers and better marketing. But even Siska the 70 foot maxi with great marketing and a big budget pulled out in less than 12 months, went to the Whitsundays and deteriorated further. Might still be there but called something else.

Don't talk to me about backpackers. They lie, they cheat and they steal, are a scourge on civilized society and I hate them with a passion. Here in Bundaberg they even have the hide to go to the free meals provided by the Uniting Church for the disadvantaged. Frigging arseholes they are.

While I was chartering I was registered with Tourism Queensland and would receive their news letters which raved on about how the backpacker market was not to be sneezed at and was worth so many millions to the tourism economy. Then they published the figures of their individual average spend here (which they made tomato picking in Bundaberg or Bowen, not money from home), and their average number of days they spent in Aus.

From that it is not hard to figure out what their average daily spend is including accommodation, food, transport and entertainment. Then it was $40 per day and it has only changed to now by inflation. How does a tourism operator make a profit out of those sort of figures??

Backpackers have made an art form out of being lousy. Phuck 'em.

Southace, if you really want to know something about charter vessel operations, try owning one.
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