What is a Red Witch Capable of?

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stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
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3 Jul 2009 3:54pm
Hello,

I would like to do some kind of extreme lifestyle adventure sailing trip and am looking for the smallest yacht that could sail around australia.

I have looked into the TS16 and the Red Witch.

Realistically, what is a boat like the red witch capable of if you could handle extreme living conditions.

Could the red witch go around oz if you pushed it to its limits?

I plan to do sailing / backpacking so i will be taking a back pack with me and exploring coastal towns and cities along the way and will shower and stuff in backpacker hostels.

Sorry for the out there question but i am going to sail arond oz in the smallest boat possible and need advice.

Cheers :)
hoop
hoop
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4 Jul 2009 10:06am
Red Witches are good little boats. They do have really low free board which wouldnt be great for big seas. I reckon you could probably do it if you timed your runs well. I'd keep away from Bass Strait or the bight though.
dralyagmas
dralyagmas
SA
380 posts
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4 Jul 2009 11:59am
I would really strongly advise you NOT take a TS16 out into blue water without support. They are not self righting. Trust me I found that out the hard way
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
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4 Jul 2009 2:30pm
Thanks guys.

I plan to leave from perth and head around the top end to sydney.

If by then i find that the witch wouldnt handle the bite, i will sell my boat in sydney and fly back to perth and buy a real yacht.

Red witch it is :)

How much water could i store on a red witch in those 20 litre plastic jugs?

I will stick to coastal crusing and wont go out to far off shore. Land will always be within the horizon.

I plan to set out at the start of spring with around 20k spending money for fuel, food, backpackers hostels and boat repairs.

Are there any other boats like the witch i could consider?

Thanks
jedda
jedda
WA
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5 Jul 2009 9:23pm
Look; I would like to follow your progress with interest. Contact me and I will try to put you on to an expert for advice in the area. A wealth of knowledge, if he is available. Occasional instances where a "Witch" has gone down, so you need to be aware of their shortcomings. Cheers.
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
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6 Jul 2009 12:57am
Thanks a lot Jedda.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Not sure how to contact u so hopefully u read this.

Cheers mate.
jedda
jedda
WA
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6 Jul 2009 7:22pm
email sent via "Seabreeze", Stonedpirate.

Happy sailing.

Jedda
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
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8 Jul 2009 4:51pm
Thanks again Jedda.

Your friend contacted me.

Very kind of you.

Cheers
jedda
jedda
WA
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8 Jul 2009 8:30pm
Good stuff mate.

I'm pleased that he gave you some great advice, he is most accomplished and knowledgeable. More than that though he is a great fellow. He is one of those chaps who I have the greatest of confidence with.

Hey; good luck with your ventures and I think the story is; if both wo/man and boat are very well prepared it can all be a great story. Just following Sarah Outen on www.sarahouten.co.uk has shown that. Cross fingers for her safety as well.
whiteout
whiteout
QLD
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10 Jul 2009 10:00pm
You should be aware that "extreme lifestyle events " you are contemplating should be in a easy chair in your lounge room if you attempt it in a trailer sailer good luck I sailed my folkboat single handed to queensland from sydney and it was even more entertaining than the Sydney Hobart Races I have been in, be perpared for anything and don't take risks without being prepared for the outcome.

cisco
cisco
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11 Jul 2009 10:56am
whiteout said...

You should be aware that "extreme lifestyle events " you are contemplating should be in a easy chair in your lounge room if you attempt it in a trailer sailer good luck I sailed my folkboat single handed to queensland from sydney and it was even more entertaining than the Sydney Hobart Races I have been in, be perpared for anything and don't take risks without being prepared for the outcome.


Did you buy your boat in Bundaberg Anthony? I think I know it. Does it or did it have a polynesian sounding name?

whiteout
whiteout
QLD
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12 Jul 2009 12:23pm
No I bought my Folkboat in Pitwater Broken Bay it has always been Called "Whiteout" originally from Jarvis Bay used by the Navy to train recruits for their Sydney Hobart race.

My boat is capable of any conditions which Hughie has thrown at it I have been in gales and bad weather and it comes out unscaved with a 58 percent righting moment and well rigged and maintained yacht is preferable to any other yacht within my price range, always wanted to sail the Whitsunday Islands and now that is what I do all the time.

I live on-board for the last 2 years and you get used to it living in a minimalistic world you only need tee shirt and shorts really.

Cheers


Anthony
cisco
cisco
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12 Jul 2009 1:24pm
whiteout said...

, always wanted to sail the Whitsunday Islands and now that is what I do all the time.
I live on-board for the last 2 years and you get used to it living in a minimalistic world you only need tee shirt and shorts really.


Sweeet!!! You have achieved the dream Mate and and a really nice stamp of a boat to do it with.

A friend of mine was doing similar some years ago with his Adams 31. He would frequent the backpacker bars wearing a T-shirt on the back of which he had written with a marker pen "Crew Wanted, Apply Within".

His deal was "You supply food and drink and I supply the rest." He was in his late 50s or early 60s then and his usual crew would be a couple of girls travelling together. He didn't do this all the time though and he was selective with who he would take as sailing companions.

How do you manage your telephony and internet activities Anthony? Do you have a lap top with mobile dongle? Cheers Peter

whiteout
whiteout
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14 Jul 2009 12:37pm
Pete,

I have a wireless internet, inverter for power and two mobile phones which I hate with a passion, they ring and I have to go to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers


Anth
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
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14 Jul 2009 7:35pm
Just another quick question about the red witch.

I wonder if its possible to put some kind of fairings on the sides to increase the freeboard?

This is the perfect boat except for its swamping due to low freeboard.
Ed Teach
Ed Teach
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10 posts
19 Jul 2009 7:41pm
I've got a Red Witch now. As for Extreme Adventure..."Extreme" will be the understatement of the year if your underprepared, Make sure you check and replace the rigging, might be good to run double backstay and make sure forestay fitting runs down along bow as the deck fitting has been known to blow out in a big breeze.

it'll handle a seaway if you treat it right, your going to have to do several overnight legs where you out at sea without a port, (your going to need a good autopiolt and epirb) Good luck, it can be done, (albeit a bit crammed and with a great deal of caution)

In the meantime why not get to know the boat and get some exp. by racing at SoPYC! biggest Red Witch fleet in Aus. plus plenty of spares about (sails, hatches, etc.)
Ed Teach
Ed Teach
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19 Jul 2009 7:43pm
As for the swamping issue mentioned above, close the hatches, this will keep most of the wet stuff out, and most boats have a self draining cockpit.
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
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20 Jul 2009 12:25am
Thanks a lot Ed.

I am heading up to perth to see a red witch for $6000. If its in decent consition i'll buy it.

And yes, i will get to know the bot and push its limits locally to see what it can really handle.

If its no good i'll just sell it and buy a different boat.

Cheers
Ed Teach
Ed Teach
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20 Jul 2009 6:55am
You should have a good look at "Unfinished Business" at RPYC, Great boat with everything you'll need to get you started asking around $5,500. (Flyer seen at SoPYC foyer) The boat placed 2nd in last years State Championships and is in pretty good cond. hope that helps-Ed.
ozza925
ozza925
WA
32 posts
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20 Jul 2009 11:40am
bah unfinished business has seen nothing, come to claremont yacht club, thats got some good witches, i particularly suggest looking at Dale II, fine yacht and just serviced haha
redned
redned
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20 Jul 2009 3:43pm
I have a Red Witch that I sailed extensively offshore in Darwin and I know that its previous owner cruised it around the Arnhemland coast. There is no problem with those conditions. I have also sailed it offshore from Perth in a stiff sea breeze and south inside the islands. However, having sailed down the west coast from Dampier to Fremantle in a 42ft boat, I would not recommend a Red Witch for that trip. It is a very long way between safe anchorages unlike the east coast where it is easier to run for shelter (although boats also get into difficulty over there). Numerous larger boats than a Red Witch have come to grief.
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
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20 Jul 2009 4:04pm
Cheers guys, good to know.

One last question.

If you were say 2 miles off the coat in calm conditions, what would sleeping on the witch be like?

Is it too unsafe to get say 4 hours sleep at sea on the redwitch with the sail down?
Ed Teach
Ed Teach
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10 posts
20 Jul 2009 6:48pm
ozza925 said...

bah unfinished business has seen nothing, come to claremont yacht club, thats got some good witches, i particularly suggest looking at Dale II, fine yacht and just serviced haha


You might as well join a club that has a fleet Dale 2 , bty you on for some more match racing?
Ed Teach
Ed Teach
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10 posts
20 Jul 2009 7:12pm
stonedpirate said...

Cheers guys, good to know.

One last question.

If you were say 2 miles off the coat in calm conditions, what would sleeping on the witch be like?

Is it too unsafe to get say 4 hours sleep at sea on the redwitch with the sail down?


Nah, keep yer sails up, take short naps (20 min's) and stay within sight of land. (if you go for a four hour "beauty sleep" 2 miles off shore you'll wake up on a beach!)
Most Solo's cat nap often rather than have one long sleep, the advantage being you can set your sails, sweep the horizon for traffic (shipping, fishing boats) and lock the tiller then head below for forty winks. 20 mins later your up and adjusting course trimming etc.
If you plan to have four hour naps you'd need to be right off shore and have a bloody good radar with all the bells and wistles to wake you when your about to be run down by a super tanker! might pay to read the Jon Sanders book to give you some insight into soloing-Ed.
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
20 Jul 2009 8:01pm
Helpful as always Ed :)

Just wondering how i'm going to sleep each night.

Drop anchor and camp on the beach in a swag?

Cat nap the whole way? :P

Ed Teach
Ed Teach
10 posts
10 posts
20 Jul 2009 9:07pm
swag it on the boat (cat napping) between ports or if you really need to; head out a way and drop a sea drogue/para anchor (BEWARE OF TRAFFIC boats up that way are on autopiolt and are not going to spot a red witch), might have to wait to catch some real zzzz in port. not much in the way of ports going up from perth, also try to time it so your not fighting the leeuwin current. plan to go early summer if your going northbound, go with the current and a more reliable wind pattern (so'wester "the doctor")
-Ed
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