Which offshore multihull would you pick?

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badinfluence
badinfluence
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27 Jun 2011 9:34am
Shopping for a friend...this is fun! Vicinity of $500K and around 45 foot...liveaboard and offshore cruising capable for a newbie to sailing but dead keen to get amongst the lifestyle.

Of course, being a Crowther girl myself, the Crowther 226A has possibilities @
http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/crowther-226a-cruising-catamaran/6404.

I'm putting my two bobs worth in for getting something fast, which I think he is malleable to, so that's another consideration. And I'm suggesting boards.

Outremer? Freydis? Catana? I am such a Francophile

Suggestions???? Doesn't have to be in Oz...he's up for going along with a delivery skipper for the trip home.
BenSchionnin
BenSchionnin
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
27 Jun 2011 10:58am

I'm a little biased towards Schionnings myself

But seriously, for 500k you could build yourself a very nice boat!

www.schionningdesigns.com.au

If you're not interested in building, we've got a few bargain second hand boats around. Seems the market is dropping so I think you've picked a great time to buy!

Cheers.
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
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27 Jun 2011 12:32pm
badinfluence said...

Shopping for a friend...this is fun! Vicinity of $500K and around 45 foot...liveaboard and offshore cruising capable for a newbie to sailing but dead keen to get amongst the lifestyle.

Of course, being a Crowther girl myself, the Crowther 226A has possibilities @
http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/crowther-226a-cruising-catamaran/6404.

I'm putting my two bobs worth in for getting something fast, which I think he is malleable to, so that's another consideration. And I'm suggesting boards.

Outremer? Freydis? Catana? I am such a Francophile

Suggestions???? Doesn't have to be in Oz...he's up for going along with a delivery skipper for the trip home.



I personally would steer a long way clear of offering a friend advice such as this. If your friend is such a newbie that he doesn't know quite clearly what it is that he wants and needs then stay well out of any advisory role. If you make a mistake and give advise that does not ultimately suit your friend you may not have a friend any longer.
Buying for yourself . Now there is a different situation. My advise "not a cat"
hangtime
hangtime
NSW
397 posts
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27 Jun 2011 4:44pm




I personally would steer a long way clear of offering a friend advice such as this. If your friend is such a newbie that he doesn't know quite clearly what it is that he wants and needs then stay well out of any advisory role. If you make a mistake and give advise that does not ultimately suit your friend you may not have a friend any longer.
Buying for yourself . Now there is a different situation. My advise "not a cat"


What a load of rubbish!
If youre new to something and want some experienced advice you ask someone experienced!?!
If a newbie asks your advice and youre experienced in that area then give em a steer in the right direction!
What are you trying to say? Turn your back?
And as for your advice on - "not a cat"? Youre not still stuck in the past are you? Them catamaran thingies do it all now.... Go to windward, handle rough water without breaking up or turning over, Pull the chics (you dont have to wlk on the cabin walls when at sea), Go fast and eat up the miles Safely. Look good and did i mention go fast?
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
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27 Jun 2011 6:28pm
Heaps here www.multihullsolutions.com.au/
I've seen some bargains in that price range in the last 12 mths
slainte
slainte
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2246 posts
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27 Jun 2011 7:09pm
Agree guys, if you want success you follow successful people.
That Leopard looks mighty good buy. In Auckland you would learn a hell of a lot bringing it back home. Good find Jeli
SandS
SandS
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27 Jun 2011 9:45pm

buy him a mono hull for 250k , he will love it!, and pocket the other 250k !!

or if your conceince wont let you do that , buy him a mono hull for 350k and give me the 150k and i will buy myself my dream boat with that.

frant
frant
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27 Jun 2011 10:18pm
hangtime said...





I personally would steer a long way clear of offering a friend advice such as this. If your friend is such a newbie that he doesn't know quite clearly what it is that he wants and needs then stay well out of any advisory role. If you make a mistake and give advise that does not ultimately suit your friend you may not have a friend any longer.
Buying for yourself . Now there is a different situation. My advise "not a cat"


What a load of rubbish!
If youre new to something and want some experienced advice you ask someone experienced!?!
If a newbie asks your advice and youre experienced in that area then give em a steer in the right direction!
What are you trying to say? Turn your back?
And as for your advice on - "not a cat"? Youre not still stuck in the past are you? Them catamaran thingies do it all now.... Go to windward, handle rough water without breaking up or turning over, Pull the chics (you dont have to wlk on the cabin walls when at sea), Go fast and eat up the miles Safely. Look good and did i mention go fast?


Hangtime, If you read what I said which was if buying for yourself then you can take your own advice. I am not trying to convert anybody and would appreciate the same respect. Other people WILL have opinions which may not be the same as yours. Just possibly badinfluences friend may find that he has a different opinion to hers....at $500k that could prove to be an expensive difference. Already we have found that some are offering different advice, just keep an open mind.
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2575 posts
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27 Jun 2011 10:51pm
Jedibrad said...

Heaps here www.multihullsolutions.com.au/
I've seen some bargains in that price range in the last 12 mths



this jedi knows his ****.

half mill is not bad, but as usual, a mill is better :P
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
27 Jun 2011 9:11pm
Ah !!! the old MONO versus MULTI. rears its ugly head again
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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28 Jun 2011 8:41am
slainte said...

Agree guys, if you want success you follow successful people.
That Leopard looks mighty good buy. In Auckland you would learn a hell of a lot bringing it back home. Good find Jeli


I'm inclined not to offer advice on catamarans for a newbie and certainly not for a Tasman crossing. Catamarans are still the minority but losses on Tasman crossings for catamarans are still higher than monos.

Some light reading here about a recent race. Admittedly two of the vessels were trimarans. These people were not newbies either.

www.pbo.co.uk/news/shooting-round-the-island-2011-5190
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
28 Jun 2011 10:22am
The message heading is 'Which Offshore Multi'

From this you can tell they want a multi

And they want an offshore or bluewater type, this means they don't want a racing lightweight, but one that has been designed to handle tough conditions

Salty, i've got a few picked out for you
MichaelR
MichaelR
NSW
862 posts
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28 Jun 2011 5:02pm
Trace, I've not been around boats really for that long, so I don't profess to know a great deal about what is a good boat and what isn't, but when I started looking and asking for information advice I was given plenty. Mostly, don't buy a boat full stop...., then don't buy a multi, make sure it's got this, and that etc. Had I listened to all the negative advice, I'd have never had the joy I've experienced for the last two years, even though there have been some interesting times as well.

It was the same when I took up surfing not so long ago, I was put off by a lot of long time surfers trying to tell me I was too old, or not tough enough. When in fact, these people were big noting themselves by telling me how "hard" it was. They also didn't like the fact there was going to be one more "kook" in the line up. In fact, surfing is not hard at all, but you do need to be fit and you do need to make your own decisions from all the crap information you get. Each different surf shop I went into told me to buy what they had in the rack, or what looked good under my arm. Had I believed them I'd have given up surfing altogether because I would have had a board that I couldn't ride.

I HAVE been around motorcycles for 40 years, and often get asked "what should I get?" My answer is the same every time. Go to every bike shop you can find and sit on every bike. THEN have a good hard think about what you want to do with the bike, THEN go and sit on some more and take some for a ride. Each time the list will narrow until finally a bike will buy you. No, there is no typo, the bike will buy you.

It was the same when I bought my wee Top Hat. It wasn't my ideal boat, but money was the major factor. I looked at LOTS of boats on the interwebnetthingy and went to see those that I liked the look of. I sailed some of them and our little Dulcamara bought us. My wife, even though she loves sailing, was against it, but it was ultimately she who gave the final nod. When doing the rounds of the brokers etc, they'd advertise a cheap boat, but ultimately steer you towards what had been in stock for too long.

So, your friend may like the look of Multis now, which is great. Once he's had a look at a nice mono, that might speak to him as well, or he might just like the idea of a multi full stop.

Best advice I could give is for him to take all the advice, sift through how the advice suits his particular needs based on what he knows and subsequently learns, what his gut tells him and if it's more than a passing whim, he'll end up with a great boat for his budget and needs.

There is nothing wrong with giving advice, so long as all the advice given is done freely and without prejudice to one's own preference. As in, just because one wouldn't own a mono, doesn't mean it's not the perfect choice for another.

Or, as my Grandad used to say, treat advice like your penis. You don't go waving it about un-invited in public, you only get it out when invited by someone you care about.

Michael

Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
28 Jun 2011 6:15pm
Please please dont listen to any brokers enough said
SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Jun 2011 8:02pm
MichaelR said...

Trace, I've not been around boats really for that long, so I don't profess to know a great deal about what is a good boat and what isn't, but when I started looking and asking for information advice I was given plenty. Mostly, don't buy a boat full stop...., then don't buy a multi, make sure it's got this, and that etc. Had I listened to all the negative advice, I'd have never had the joy I've experienced for the last two years, even though there have been some interesting times as well.

It was the same when I took up surfing not so long ago, I was put off by a lot of long time surfers trying to tell me I was too old, or not tough enough. When in fact, these people were big noting themselves by telling me how "hard" it was. They also didn't like the fact there was going to be one more "kook" in the line up. In fact, surfing is not hard at all, but you do need to be fit and you do need to make your own decisions from all the crap information you get. Each different surf shop I went into told me to buy what they had in the rack, or what looked good under my arm. Had I believed them I'd have given up surfing altogether because I would have had a board that I couldn't ride.

I HAVE been around motorcycles for 40 years, and often get asked "what should I get?" My answer is the same every time. Go to every bike shop you can find and sit on every bike. THEN have a good hard think about what you want to do with the bike, THEN go and sit on some more and take some for a ride. Each time the list will narrow until finally a bike will buy you. No, there is no typo, the bike will buy you.

It was the same when I bought my wee Top Hat. It wasn't my ideal boat, but money was the major factor. I looked at LOTS of boats on the interwebnetthingy and went to see those that I liked the look of. I sailed some of them and our little Dulcamara bought us. My wife, even though she loves sailing, was against it, but it was ultimately she who gave the final nod. When doing the rounds of the brokers etc, they'd advertise a cheap boat, but ultimately steer you towards what had been in stock for too long.

So, your friend may like the look of Multis now, which is great. Once he's had a look at a nice mono, that might speak to him as well, or he might just like the idea of a multi full stop.

Best advice I could give is for him to take all the advice, sift through how the advice suits his particular needs based on what he knows and subsequently learns, what his gut tells him and if it's more than a passing whim, he'll end up with a great boat for his budget and needs.

There is nothing wrong with giving advice, so long as all the advice given is done freely and without prejudice to one's own preference. As in, just because one wouldn't own a mono, doesn't mean it's not the perfect choice for another.

Or, as my Grandad used to say, treat advice like your penis. You don't go waving it about un-invited in public, you only get it out when invited by someone you care about.

Michael




This is excelent advice hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaah
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
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28 Jun 2011 9:25pm
MichaelR said...


Or, as my Grandad used to say, treat advice like your penis. You don't go waving it about un-invited in public, you only get it out when invited by someone you care about.

Michael






these lines are a killer .

jedibrad email / pm me these multis please!
badinfluence
badinfluence
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538 posts
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28 Jun 2011 10:03pm
Thanks to everyone who responded with positive and/or constructive feedback to the question asked.

Frant and Ramona...I honestly have no idea why you chose to comment on a multihull thread knowing how committed you are to monohulls. The question was clearly directed at multihull choices...and while I'm at it, if you're dead set against the Cruising Forum, you can always C.H.O.O.S.E. not to contribute. I'm finally gonna say it after holding back for a long time, Ramona.........I think you need to get out and go for a sail and remember why we're all on Seabreeze!!!! Bonito vs Frigate Mackerel...who cares?? Yeah, call me what you want being the only female on the forum.....I've been called it all before today!!!

Hangtime...thanks for your support.
Michael R...yours is very sound advice. Jedibrad, very balanced and informed response, thanks.
But still...what would you choose?? Designs?? I don't profess to know much at all...I know enough to get me up and down the coast safely on my little old Crowther, no more, no less.

I have asked the question and am going overseas for a month...now I will leave my friend to peruse the responses on this forum, view different boats, research further, and continue sailing. The only real advice I have given is not to listen to brokers which is just common sense.
And he's boat-sitting for me to see whether the reality of living aboard a small boat meshes with his romantic notion.

Fair winds
Trace

SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
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28 Jun 2011 10:32pm
so my idea was no good then a ?

ok back to the drawing board...mmmmm.....1/2 a mill ahhhh maybe house ?..nah doesnt float. mmm nup dont know !




Ramona
Ramona
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29 Jun 2011 8:57am
badinfluence said...


Frant and Ramona...I honestly have no idea why you chose to comment on a multihull thread knowing how committed you are to monohulls. The question was clearly directed at multihull choices...and while I'm at it, if you're dead set against the Cruising Forum, you can always C.H.O.O.S.E. not to contribute. I'm finally gonna say it after holding back for a long time, Ramona.........I think you need to get out and go for a sail and remember why we're all on Seabreeze!!!! Bonito vs Frigate Mackerel...who cares?? Yeah, call me what you want being the only female on the forum.....I've been called it all before today!!!


Fair winds
Trace




Nice one. Actually I'm not against multihulls, my two closest boats are large centreboard cats and My mate is 3 years into his build of a 45 foot cat. He has cruised extensively in a mono in North Queensland and decided the cat suited the life style better. This is a small port used as a stop over by cruisers so I get to talk to all types. Locals consist of 13 monos, 4 large cats, 3 with boards.
If you bothered to read my bio you will see that I was a professional mariner for 46 years, 26 as a professional fisherman, I can identify fish! I hold a masterclass 5. Spending long hours at sea fishing I had plenty of encounters with cruisers and racers and often provided services for them here in port.
I sail at least once a week but usually on the water at least 4 times a week. When I'm not on the water I waste time in my workshop or sail room, I have an industrial sewing machine and table set up and repair sails. My son has my old Finn so I get plenty of jobs.
Can't speak for Frant he is probably a dill.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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29 Jun 2011 12:11pm
As ocean going catermarans the Wharrums seem to have a good reputation.
badinfluence
badinfluence
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538 posts
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29 Jun 2011 6:08pm
badinfluence said...

Thanks to everyone who responded with positive and/or constructive feedback to the question asked.

Frant and Ramona...I honestly have no idea why you chose to comment on a multihull thread knowing how committed you are to monohulls. The question was clearly directed at multihull choices...and while I'm at it, if you're dead set against the Cruising Forum, you can always C.H.O.O.S.E. not to contribute. I'm finally gonna say it after holding back for a long time, Ramona.........I think you need to get out and go for a sail and remember why we're all on Seabreeze!!!! Bonito vs Frigate Mackerel...who cares?? Yeah, call me what you want being the only female on the forum.....I've been called it all before today!!!



This is a public apology to Frant, but mostly to Ramona. My comments were caustic and uncalled for. I am sincerely sorry..this is an earnest apology..no windups, no facetiousness. I am a slow learner but maybe I will learn to zip it. Once again, my sincere apologies.
Trace
Disralei
Disralei
NSW
127 posts
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29 Jun 2011 10:40pm
Bloody Hell, I disappear for a couple of weeks and some Buggers thrown a fox in the chook shed. One should not kiss fish full stop. Advice should be taken as advice, nothing more. There is no excuse for one not doing there Due diligence in considering the purchase of anything costly or cheap for that matter.

Great to see the old kids on the block having fun, missed you all
cisco
cisco
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30 Jun 2011 2:18am
MichaelR said...
Or, as my Grandad used to say, treat advice like your penis. You don't go waving it about un-invited in public, you only get it out when invited by someone you care about.
Michael


Or, advice is usually worth what you pay for it.

tomooh
tomooh
276 posts
276 posts
11 Jul 2011 6:00am
Lots of good multis for sale at that price range but if i had 500k to spend on a multi at the moment i would be making offers on the boats that are up around 850 k or more. Not many buyers around with cash and yours may be the first offer they have had, there is a big newick tri an arber cat and a 60 ft Tennant cat in NZ at the moment that would be worth a look, the tri has dropped from 850 to 495 nz already.
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