Why sit to leeward on hydroplaning Moths

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sboardcrazy
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5 Jan 2011 11:41am
As a sailboarder & sailor Ive been impressed with the speeds the hydro planing moths do.With dinghies you sit on the windward side.How come you sit to leeward on moths?
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cisco
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5 Jan 2011 10:51am
Nice painting. It is a picture I would like to be in on a semi permanent basis.
sboardcrazy
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5 Jan 2011 12:53pm
Thanks..Pity it's not that easy eh?
sboardcrazy
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6 Jan 2011 10:20am
Dur.. I saw some footage on the Tv and you don't sit to leeward..What I meant was why is it that a lot of the time the craft is tilted to windard..the person sailing it is sitting on the windward side but that side is lower to the water..?
t03y
t03y
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6 Jan 2011 11:32am
i think it's just because everything goes light once you are on the foils... then heel to windward while you are up so when you go back down and it loads up you heel a bit to flat, that way it doesn't stick the leeward wing in the drink and it goes from there???

I'm not really sure, probably not a reason for it

Here's a really good moth video:
nate83
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6 Jan 2011 11:23am
Cool vid mate, hos the catapulting at 2.32!! That would have been scary!
Ramona
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6 Jan 2011 6:48pm
sboardcrazy said...

Dur.. I saw some footage on the Tv and you don't sit to leeward..What I meant was why is it that a lot of the time the craft is tilted to windard..the person sailing it is sitting on the windward side but that side is lower to the water..?


I have no experience with foiled Moths but from what I have read its for exactly the same reason windsurfers do.
Ramona
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6 Jan 2011 7:00pm


If your interested in Moth sailing I suggest a peek at this Boat design .net. thread.

WARNING; its 83 pages long and occasionally raucous.

www.boatdesign.net/threads/moth-on-foils-35-9-knots-41-29-mph.11209/

The Worlds are on starting tomorrow I think up at Lake Macquarie. Some details on this blog.

knowlesmoth.blogspot.com/

Might be worth a look if your close by.
Torch
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6 Jan 2011 4:50pm
Im here at belmont watching the moths. Awsome ****! Going to get me some of this here foiling action.
Kiting is out, sailing back in!
scarrgo
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6 Jan 2011 9:48pm
the windward heel is to use some of the foils lift to increase upwind height
sboardcrazy
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8 Jan 2011 8:39pm
Thanks.
The first time I saw them was when I was sailboarding off Coal point in marginal winds <10kts & I wasn't planing.One of those flew / hissed past ..WOW I wouldnt mind doing that! But then I think I read they are hard to sail..? Also I don't have the funds..I haven't had a chance to see the video yet but will.
Last time I was out sailboarding in 25kts Ne off Coal Pt there were some Moths out .. very impressive but so were the cartwheel stacks!
Ramona
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9 Jan 2011 9:02am
sboardcrazy said...

Thanks.
The first time I saw them was when I was sailboarding off Coal point in marginal winds <10kts & I wasn't planing.One of those flew / hissed past ..WOW I wouldnt mind doing that! But then I think I read they are hard to sail..? Also I don't have the funds..I haven't had a chance to see the video yet but will.
Last time I was out sailboarding in 25kts Ne off Coal Pt there were some Moths out .. very impressive but so were the cartwheel stacks!


First boat I ever built was an Imperium design Moth. The costs are fairly relative for an out of the box foiling moth, there is not much to them in materials and they are built in China. Thinking about the money I have spent over the years in racing dinghies the moth looks pretty reasonable.

From what I have read they are a bit clumsy to launch but surprisingly easy to sail. I only wish I was young enough to sail one, along with kiteboarding and all those other pursuits the older generation missed out on.
CJW
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10 Jan 2011 1:28am
Ramona said...

sboardcrazy said...

Thanks.
The first time I saw them was when I was sailboarding off Coal point in marginal winds <10kts & I wasn't planing.One of those flew / hissed past ..WOW I wouldnt mind doing that! But then I think I read they are hard to sail..? Also I don't have the funds..I haven't had a chance to see the video yet but will.
Last time I was out sailboarding in 25kts Ne off Coal Pt there were some Moths out .. very impressive but so were the cartwheel stacks!


First boat I ever built was an Imperium design Moth. The costs are fairly relative for an out of the box foiling moth, there is not much to them in materials and they are built in China. Thinking about the money I have spent over the years in racing dinghies the moth looks pretty reasonable.

From what I have read they are a bit clumsy to launch but surprisingly easy to sail. I only wish I was young enough to sail one, along with kiteboarding and all those other pursuits the older generation missed out on.


Hmm you reckon the costs are fairly relative? ~25K is pretty steep for an 11ft, 30kg boat, no matter how much carbon and technology is in it.

To me they do not look easy to sail, look at any other top level sailing fleet and how many capsizes are there? Not that many. Go watch a moth race and it's carnage

Impressive boats though for sure, how they are 28kg fully rigged is anyones guess, that is insane. I sailed a moth a few times pre foil era and it was great fun, I reckon with the foils it would be alltime, if only I had a spare 25k lying around
Ramona
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10 Jan 2011 8:42am
CJW said...



Hmm you reckon the costs are fairly relative? ~25K is pretty steep for an 11ft, 30kg boat, no matter how much carbon and technology is in it.

To me they do not look easy to sail, look at any other top level sailing fleet and how many capsizes are there? Not that many. Go watch a moth race and it's carnage

Impressive boats though for sure, how they are 28kg fully rigged is anyones guess, that is insane. I sailed a moth a few times pre foil era and it was great fun, I reckon with the foils it would be alltime, if only I had a spare 25k lying around


My comments were based on an article by the woman editor of a British sailing magazine. She had the use of a new one for the weekend and commented how surprisingly easy it was to sail after only a few minutes coaching.

There was one on eBay a couple of weeks ago, not sure what it sold for. After the nationals and worlds there will be a few available. Foil kits are available and you can build your own hull. Carbon fibre is easy to work with. Roughly 10 times the cost of fibreglass cloth and you use the same epoxy resin. Hull is really small so materials are not much. Carbon tubes for the outriggers are off the shelf items.

When I was into moths they were built in 1/8 ply and it was not uncommon for blokes to build a hull to last only one regatta. If I remember correctly the hulls had a lower limit of 45 pounds then. This did not count the rig which was heavier than modern moths. Probably 3 times the hull material in the older stuff too.
JayBee
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10 Jan 2011 11:36am
Take another look, they do not sit to leeward on moths. They sit to windward like on every other sailboat.

J
CJW
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10 Jan 2011 8:21pm
JayBee said...

Take another look, they do not sit to leeward on moths. They sit to windward like on every other sailboat.

J


Note that sboardcrazy did actually mean that as indicated by the fourth post in this thread, bit of a brain fart on post one
JayBee
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12 Jan 2011 3:43pm
CJW said...

JayBee said...

Take another look, they do not sit to leeward on moths. They sit to windward like on every other sailboat.

J


Note that sboardcrazy did actually mean that as indicated by the fourth post in this thread, bit of a brain fart on post one


You are correct, and I stand corrected.
Note to self - read all posts in future, including those by original poster ;-(
Torch
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13 Jan 2011 3:31pm
www.mothworlds.org/belmont/

some good footage and reporting here
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