I have googled the hell out of the above subject and have come up with, World wide, everything but. It seems that no one has succeeded in the enterprise, which if successfull, would give a self tacking (in my case a staysail) sail, controlled by a simple sheet,( ie.no barber haulers or other add ons) and the furler line, and results in a sail of the correct shape from close hauled to winged out downwind. It does not takeover the foredeck, in fact, close hauled can be used as an inboard handrail. If there is some interest in the subject I will reveal some more. (a World First??)
Staysails are better hanked on. The times you are down to just a staysail is not the time to have all that extra windage forward with a rolled up sail. Hanked on also allows for a boom setup if you want self tacking.
A couple of days ago I started this topic but not much interest. What if I now state that my yacht has a wishbone of my design, the system works brilliantly and I am happy like hell. The wishbone is at right angles to the furler so it is vanged by the sail. In reply to Ramona, the extra windage of a staysail on a roller is nothing to buggering about on a foredeck hanking or unhanking with a boom flogging your shins and ankles. My wishbone, as it is vanged by the sail below it, swings only in an arc which is no problem anyway, as I am comfortably in the cockpit, controlling it with its sheet and furler line. I tried this years ago when I fitted the furler to the staysail which had a wishbone. I tried to convert the wishbone to work with the furler but got nowhere. I gave up. I am older now, and in the wishbone dept at least, wiser.
There is no buggering about on the foredeck with a hanked on staysail. The usual routine is a furled headsail [high cut] and a staysail hanked on and stored under a sail cover on a boom if you like or sans boom. The same can be done with wishbone if you want. Pick up a wishbone off a Windsurfer at the dump. All can be operated from the cockpit if you want but will require a down haul on the staysail [light line through the hanks]. What you propose was used on NS14's in the early 70's, there is nothing new in yachting. What you have to ask yourself is why is this system not in common use. If it is so handy why didn't Jessica Watson use it for example.
Ramona said.. There is no buggering about on the foredeck with a hanked on staysail. The usual routine is a furled headsail [high cut] and a staysail hanked on and stored under a sail cover on a boom if you like or sans boom. The same can be done with wishbone if you want. Pick up a wishbone off a Windsurfer at the dump. All can be operated from the cockpit if you want but will require a down haul on the staysail [light line through the hanks]. What you propose was used on NS14's in the early 70's, there is nothing new in yachting. What you have to ask yourself is why is this system not in common use. If it is so handy why didn't Jessica Watson use it for example.
You have totally missed the point. If you can show me where I can read about a successfull wishbone on a ROLLER FURLED headsail I will give you $25. I repeat---ROLLER FURLER----$25. This is a public forum so I can't backdown. What are you going to do?
You have totally missed the point. If you can show me where I can read about a successfull wishbone on a ROLLER FURLED headsail I will give you $25. I repeat---ROLLER FURLER----$25. This is a public forum so I can't backdown. What are you going to do?
So are you saying it is possible or not possible??
My last entry was directed to Ramona who seems to have missed the point that I am talking about a wishbone on a roller furler. Yes there are multi mentions of wishbones on headsails, but they are all hanked ons. I will greatly appreciate any reference by Ramona to a working unit as stated. The reason I am plugging this is that it is hard to beat a roller furler. It's like comparing using a computer with a touch pad or a cordless mouse with a scroll wheel. To go back to a touch pad is an archaic slow thing of the past.
Cisco, I meant to reply to you also, but missed it. Yes it is possible and mine works brilliantly. So what I am getting at is why are there no posted reports of the system in use by anybody.The sail is now so efficient and easy to use I am rapt.
patrigo28 said.. Cisco, I meant to reply to you also, but missed it. Yes it is possible and mine works brilliantly. So what I am getting at is why are there no posted reports of the system in use by anybody.The sail is now so efficient and easy to use I am rapt.
Ramona said.. There is no buggering about on the foredeck with a hanked on staysail. The usual routine is a furled headsail [high cut] and a staysail hanked on and stored under a sail cover on a boom if you like or sans boom. The same can be done with wishbone if you want. Pick up a wishbone off a Windsurfer at the dump. All can be operated from the cockpit if you want but will require a down haul on the staysail [light line through the hanks]. What you propose was used on NS14's in the early 70's, there is nothing new in yachting. What you have to ask yourself is why is this system not in common use. If it is so handy why didn't Jessica Watson use it for example.
You have totally missed the point. If you can show me where I can read about a successfull wishbone on a ROLLER FURLED headsail I will give you $25. I repeat---ROLLER FURLER----$25. This is a public forum so I can't backdown. What are you going to do?
Keep your money and just check the link! [URL=.html] [/URL]
I am completely in favour of furling headsails, I use one myself. But if I were to sail a cutter then I would use a furling headsail and the staysail on hanks.
Thanks Ramona for the sketch but the link did not work. Do you have any more info on it? From the sketch it is impossible to tell if it a workable idea or just a fanciful idea put to paper
patrigo28 said.. Thanks Ramona for the sketch but the link did not work. Do you have any more info on it? From the sketch it is impossible to tell if it a workable idea or just a fanciful idea put to paper
As I mentioned previously, there is very little new in yachting. The boatdesign.net forums has a wealth of this sort of info. Use Google images and search Hoyt jib boom. Similar examples will show.
patrigo28 said.. It's like comparing using a computer with a touch pad or a cordless mouse with a scroll wheel. To go back to a touch pad is an archaic slow thing of the past.
The difference is that a sail with hanks or a headfoil is more efficient and faster in many conditions than a roller-furling sail, so you can hardly say it's slower.
I'm not knocking furlers; they are great in their place - but to compare non-furling sails to something that is archaic and slower is just wrong. Particularly since roller furling is much more "of the past" than headfoils and may be about as old as hanks!
A hanked on sail may be more efficient etc. but when single handing/at night/sick crew/etc. etc. I much prefer a roller furler. Anyone having hanks by preference maybe doesn't know which way is up. As far as a hoyts boom is concerned any vessel without a steel foredeck needs expensive redesign to handle one. My wishboned furler can be fitted to any headsail for very little cost and works like a dream. I am out of here.
patrigo28 said.. A hanked on sail may be more efficient etc. but when single handing/at night/sick crew/etc. etc. I much prefer a roller furler. Anyone having hanks by preference maybe doesn't know which way is up. As far as a hoyts boom is concerned any vessel without a steel foredeck needs expensive redesign to handle one. My wishboned furler can be fitted to any headsail for very little cost and works like a dream. I am out of here.
So, how about a photo or video patrigo? I'm really keen to see it. regards, Allan
patrigo28 said.. A hanked on sail may be more efficient etc. but when single handing/at night/sick crew/etc. etc. I much prefer a roller furler. Anyone having hanks by preference maybe doesn't know which way is up. As far as a hoyts boom is concerned any vessel without a steel foredeck needs expensive redesign to handle one. My wishboned furler can be fitted to any headsail for very little cost and works like a dream. I am out of here.
I know which way is up….. and prefer hanked on
being able to bend on a storm sail by myself is very highly desirable to me
we had 130kph winds down our bay last week and i counted 1 dozen or so tattered remnants of foresails
I am with you Jedibrad. I too have seen plenty of tattered furling head sails.
A hanked on sail can be dropped very rapidly, unhanked and the next sail hoisted immediately if it has been previously hanked on and had sheets run in preparation. Twin forestays will make the operation quicker again.
I also think furlers on smaller yachts puts too much weight aloft.
The only practical advantage I see with furlers is for single handers.
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