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aus005
aus005
TAS
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TAS, 514 posts
23 Oct 2015 11:54am
hi guys
my alternator has failed on my 2qm20 yanmar i have it off and have been looking for a replacement but nothing jumping out at me do you guys know of a place to get one or can i get one as best guess and modify the bracket i dont know how many amps it is but wouldnt mind getting something to charge a bit quicker.
would a car one do the trick?
any ideas thanks

MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
23 Oct 2015 1:34pm
Mine died a few months ago. I took it to an auto electrician who stocks hundreds of alternators and he was able to match it pretty closely, just needed to trim the output terminal which was too long and fouled the exhaust.
There are numerous measurements you need to consider; saddle spacing, mount offsets, pulley offsets, terminal locations etc. I looked at buying one online but am glad I didn't, there are just too many variables.
My engine originally had a 35 amp alternator. It had a 50 amp when I bought the boat and we fitted a 60 amp one.
I am quite poor on electrics but, talking to the electrician who sold me the alternator and the one who installed it, I don't see the point of going any higher as the output is only at the maximum if your batteries are very flat or you have very high loads. The charge will drop down to below 10 amps pretty quickly as the batteries charge. Even with a fridge, tiller pilot and lights taking say 10 amps if they are all on, the 60 amp alternator will have sufficient output to provide a full battery charge and run the systems at the same time.
My batteries are well charged from a 40 watt solar panel. When we flashed up the new alternator it started at 31 amps, dropped to 10 after 30 seconds to a minute and steadied at 5-6 after a few minutes. Unless you have extreme electrical loads what is the point of fitting an 80 amp one?
You also need o consider the ability of your engine, wiring and fan belt to cope with the loads of high charging alternators. For example, although the alternator on my engine had been upgraded to 50 amp, the output wire hadn't been so I wasn't getting the benefit of the bigger alternator anyway. My electrician had to fit thicker wire to the charging circuit.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
23 Oct 2015 1:31pm
aus005 said..
hi guys
my alternator has failed on my 2qm20 yanmar i have it off and have been looking for a replacement but nothing jumping out at me do you guys know of a place to get one or can i get one as best guess and modify the bracket i dont know how many amps it is but wouldnt mind getting something to charge a bit quicker.
would a car one do the trick?
any ideas thanks



Your alternator would be a Hitachi with 80 mm between the mounting lugs. A near match will be a Bosch from a Nissan or a Subaru.

Take your alternator to a wrecking yard and see if they can match one up to it.
You should be able to find a 60 or 80 amp unit which should be a better option than your current 40 amper.

Usually you would pay $30 to $40 from the wreckers. When you have found a physical match, take it to an auto sparky for a bench test.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
23 Oct 2015 3:38pm
cisco said..

aus005 said..
hi guys
my alternator has failed on my 2qm20 yanmar i have it off and have been looking for a replacement but nothing jumping out at me do you guys know of a place to get one or can i get one as best guess and modify the bracket i dont know how many amps it is but wouldnt mind getting something to charge a bit quicker.
would a car one do the trick?
any ideas thanks




Your alternator would be a Hitachi with 80 mm between the mounting lugs. A near match will be a Bosch from a Nissan or a Subaru.

Take your alternator to a wrecking yard and see if they can match one up to it.
You should be able to find a 60 or 80 amp unit which should be a better option than your current 40 amper.

Usually you would pay $30 to $40 from the wreckers. When you have found a physical match, take it to an auto sparky for a bench test.


I considered a second hand one. Reliability versus cost was the issue.
The sparky was going to charge me about an hours labour at $95 to replace the bearings, inspect the internals and test it. Plus the $40-50 for the alternator (don't get much in Sydney for $30). The new one cost me $290 with the modification for the tacho feed and a 12 month warranty.
If you are not going too far in your boat a failed alternator isn't too much of an issue. If you are four days from port with a fridge, lights and auto pilot reliability is a bit more important.
Another factor for me is there are no wreckers near me, that probably would have swung me to go 2nd hand.


Roama
Roama
TAS
195 posts
TAS, 195 posts
23 Oct 2015 6:05pm
Hey Aus I can put you onto a marine electronics guru in Lonny if you like.
HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
23 Oct 2015 11:21pm
www.balmar.net
basically there are around three mounting profiles on alternators the above link shows the three. Cars are much the same




www.amazon.com/ALTERNATOR-YANMAR-MARINE-2QM20H-121370-77200/dp/B007OX3AI0

I usually choose one with as built in reg and if you run a tacho ask for one with a terminal for that also
( cant remember the terminal name right now old age maybe ).
Older engines had lower charge amp alternators fitted ( there was less need for more amps back then) you can up the amps out put but remember you only have a single belt driving it. so don't go overboard a 20 Hp should easily run a 60 to 80 amp alternator off the original belt
samsturdy
samsturdy
NSW
1659 posts
NSW, 1659 posts
24 Oct 2015 9:38am

Cisco's correct, if you go second hand you must get it bench tested. I replaced my alternator some time ago
and got a second hand one but the bench test showed it grossly over charging so I decided to go new. My
alternator had offset mountings which posed a problem but Auto One matched it at a huge cost so I went on
Google and dialled in the model number, bingo, I could get one from Europe delivered for half the price.
So that's what I did. Perfect. Working great, no regrets.


aus005
aus005
TAS
514 posts
TAS, 514 posts
25 Oct 2015 7:56am
thanks for your help guys amazing the knowledge on this forum.
yes it is a hitachi thats all it says i have taken it to auto parts wholesaler whom i know and he is sourcing a new one for me i will wait for the price and then deceide on second hand or new.

wongaga
wongaga
VIC
664 posts
VIC, 664 posts
27 Oct 2015 6:22pm
If you really want more amps, then rather than upping the alt to a 60 or 80 one, you'd be better off adding an external smart regulator like the Sterling. Standard alt's come with auto-type regulators, which pretty much never get the battery past 80 or 90% charged due to their crude regulating mechanism. So even with an 80A alt you won't get very much improvement in charging when the voltage comes up a bit after the first few minutes.

But smart regulators can charge right up to 95% or more, and will charge much faster during the first 1/2 - 1 hour than the auto type. No big deal for us weekend-warriors, but seriously worth considering for longer-term cruising.

Cheers, Graeme
aus005
aus005
TAS
514 posts
TAS, 514 posts
29 Oct 2015 7:17am
thanks guys fitted new alternator $180 from my mate exactly the same as old one 40 amps i think will be just fine
thanks for all the help
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