diesel engine injector problems?hi

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organika
organika
8 posts
8 posts
24 Dec 2013 3:00pm
hi everyone

was just heading out gold coast seaway sat afternoon when I noticed black sooty water coming out of my exhaust on high revs going against the tide...on lowering the revs the problem was rectified, any ideas on the cause of the problem?

thanks in advance
HaveFun
HaveFun
NSW
201 posts
NSW, 201 posts
24 Dec 2013 6:34pm
Too rich a mixture due to revs being too high - unburnt fuel coming out the exhaust?
organika
organika
8 posts
8 posts
24 Dec 2013 3:43pm
thank you for your input but my knowledge of engines is far from expert so could you please clarify when you mean mixture? I was of the understanding that diesel engines run on diesel and air? it is an old deautch 30 hp circa 1970-80
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
NSW, 818 posts
25 Dec 2013 12:33pm
Hi, it's not easy finding straight advice on diesels engines.
From my experience injectors need to be removed and cleaned by a diesel shop every 10 to 20 years for good running! A bench test is the only way and not some cleaner in a bottle, also make sure your engine reaches running temp. To burn efficiently.
Mixture can be done on most engines however they are set in the workshop and rarely need doing.
Removing injectors is an easy job with care! Don't force it and look for a suitable lever. The money saved in removing them yourself would pay for cleaning at the workshop, about $30 each last time I done it.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Dec 2013 12:58pm
Diesels will blow soot when overloaded. Notice how it happens with trucks labouring uphill.

Injector testing and cleaning every FIVE years or 250 hours is probably what the manufacturer recommends. Dripping injectors are very bad.

Fuel to air mixture with a diesel is controlled by the metering of the fuel injection pump and is really only adjustable by a technician.
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
25 Dec 2013 1:38pm
How clean is the prop and hull?
Lazzz
Lazzz
NSW
913 posts
NSW, 913 posts
26 Dec 2013 7:41am
^^^^ Yep, if your prop is not clean it won't work as efficiently & you're trying to get the same revs/speed as when it was clean - it won't happen!!

On the way to the marina to get antifouled with a dirty prop & hull I could only get just over half the usual top speed no matter how much throttle - just black smoke belching out the more I tried.
With a clean prop & hull it was all back to normal - no smoke & good revs & speed.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
26 Dec 2013 7:53am
We had the same problem. Coming back from short trip.
Suddenly the engine start blowing thick black smoke and lost the revs too.
Taking to few diesel engine people. The one we ask to cure
the problem, ordered to change to exhaust heat cooling unit.
First you check if your exhaust system is not partly waterlocked.
That's create overloading and smoke too.
We didn't have to touch the engine, that was it.
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
26 Dec 2013 10:09am
And sometimes it's as simple to what brand of fuel you put in.
Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
3418 posts
WA, 3418 posts
26 Dec 2013 8:09am
Unless the engines running rough (like a cylinders not firing at higher revs) It sounds like an exhaust problem to me.

Have you posted in the general forum yet Organika? Im pretty sure theres some genuine certified engine mechanics lurking round there....
UncleBob
UncleBob
NSW
1311 posts
NSW, 1311 posts
26 Dec 2013 3:06pm
I think I would pull the exhaust elbow first and clean the carbon build up, would be very surprised if there is none there.
Reassemble and test.
Cheers Rob.
organika
organika
8 posts
8 posts
26 Dec 2013 5:29pm
Thanks for all your suggestions and help...it is appreciated....hopefully il be back out there soon
organika
organika
8 posts
8 posts
26 Dec 2013 5:32pm
Southace- she is really clean, had her off sov island on a sandbank a few months back and she was perfect
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
27 Dec 2013 8:40pm
I had that problem also Organika,

Turned out to be a broken valve spring!!!!!
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
28 Dec 2013 11:27am
My little yacht BMW diesel had not started for 12 months she was a bit hard to start but after some aero start and persistence she fired and ran but missed a few beats and wouldn't take any load when I put her in gear.....anyways my mind was thinking head gasket and salt water entering combustion chamber but I decided to start with the basic checks first before head gasket nightmare.

While the engine was running I traced fuel lines and drained water trap etc ......and to my suprise I seen a jet of fuel squirting from the hose clamp location on the primary filter! Shortend the hose removing the cut section of hose and presto she now runs again like a clock!

It's always nice when it's only something simple!
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
28 Dec 2013 12:05pm
southace said..


It's always nice when it's only something simple!


Usually accompanied by the great sigh of relief that means you didn't have to throw lots $$$$$$$$$ at it.
southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
30 Dec 2013 12:29pm
Ok so BMW runs like a clock out to my sail host location, 3 hour sail complete return to sail drop location start BMW. Blows black smoke and refuses to idle but still gets me back to the dock just!

Problem? What is the problem? Valve? Head? Fuel? ......a simple problem comes to thought.......check stop cable! Yes it was not fully returned to off position .....restart engine runs like clock! Relax and drink more cold beer!
nswsailor
nswsailor
NSW
1458 posts
NSW, 1458 posts
30 Dec 2013 11:02pm
Think I'll have a cold beer too!
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