endless mainsheet reference sytem ?

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madmission
madmission
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29 Nov 2016 9:49am
Does anyone know a method to use a reference mark / position to quickly replicate known mainsheet tension settings , week to week or tack to tack ?
Easy and useful on conventional mainsheet system with texta marks on the sheet but doin my head in trying to come up with something for an endless system like the Admiral's Cup 2:1 with Dedicated Winch




lydia
lydia
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29 Nov 2016 7:48am
We put a series of 250mm reference marks half way along the boom then a mark on each side of the mainsheet.
Normal upwind trim (base mark) the sheet marks end up centre of the reference marks or thereabouts.
This is enough of a guide just takes a bit of discipline from the trimmer.
madmission
madmission
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29 Nov 2016 5:36pm
lydia said..
discipline from the trimmer.


Thanks Lydia , was afraid that was the answer .
I know Sailing is not an exact science but why on boats so dependent on mainsail trim and in demanding racing conditions do you use such a mainsheet system ?

madmission
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29 Nov 2016 8:25pm
madmission said..

lydia said..
discipline from the trimmer.



Thanks Lydia , was afraid that was the answer .
I know Sailing is not an exact science but why on boats so dependent on mainsail trim and in demanding racing conditions do you use such a mainsheet system ?




Think i found the reasons from a discussion on SA

""Yes, the mainsheet purchase in the first post is 16/1 minus friction and stretch. Good for boats up to 6,000-10,000 pounds (and others). Setting up using the Harken catalogue is the bible. Not that you have to buy Harken blocks, but the math is sound. Only thing is every increase in purchase using multiple blocks results in a *lot* of loose line running at high speeds during jibes etc., piled in the cockpit upwind, etc. If the boat is big enough, dual dedicated mainsheet winches aft above a double ended 2/1 cockpit mounted traveller allows more sanitary control and higher sheet loads when cranked with much less slack line. Simply put, the 4/1 coarse tune with 4/1 fine tune is good to maybe 75lbs pull x 16 = 1,200lbs.OTOH, A 2/1 traveller setup going to winches with a serious grinder (50lb on a 12" winch handle on a single speed 5" diameter drum = 300lbs and a two speed winch may offer 24:1 in low gear = 7,400lbs tension, with much lower sheet travel when adjusting at high loads. Make sure you boat gear can handle such loads. It's all about sail sizes and shapes, and expected wind conditions, (and strength of mast, standing rigging and boom). I've known boats that have switched back and forth, delegating the aft winches to spinnaker sheets in light air venues using a 16/1 mainsheet purchase system, and on longer offshore races switching to direct winch mainsheet control and relegating halyard cabin top winches to the spinnaker sheets. I'll reiterate; putting really high loads on mainsheet, backstay, shrouds and sails may be fast, but make sure your gear can handle it. A 16:1 mainsheet coarse-fine tune is not a high load setup, probably not going to break anything but also not going to win; sorry.""
lydia
lydia
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29 Nov 2016 6:04pm
It is also way quicker in a gybe especially when the mast man pulls the sheet through at the gooseneck
rumblefish
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1 Dec 2016 2:14pm
best I can come up with.....

Put a dyneema strop from the bottom block to the traveller so that at full sheet there is only about 500mm between blocks.
Makes it easier for the trimmer to see 500mm difference as a reference rather than 1500mm.

You could rig something up with shock cord and a couple of pulleys but it's probably more holes than you want in your boom!!
madmission
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1 Dec 2016 4:22pm
My best was an ultrasonic sensor ( as used in modern motor vehicles )in the boom facing cockpit floor interfaced with processor with wireless output reading to lcd in easy view of trimmer , fairly straight forward circuit , cheap components , basic code , light and accurate.
Planning to build a prototype in my spare time.
HG02
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1 Dec 2016 11:54pm
madmission said..
My best was an ultrasonic sensor ( as used in modern motor vehicles )in the boom facing cockpit floor interfaced with processor with wireless output reading to lcd in easy view of trimmer , fairly straight forward circuit , cheap components , basic code , light and accurate.
Planning to build a prototype in my spare time.


Farmers don't have spare time Madmission
madmission
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2 Dec 2016 6:56am
HG02 said..

Farmers don't have spare time Madmission




No HG , but we do have plenty of imagination

I would like to catch up for a sail with you sometime HG .
My calendar has been squashed up now with Xmas , impending harvest and twilight racing each week.
Certainly attending the start of the M2H In Lonsdale Bay on the 27 th Dec not sure how big the fleet will be , seems over the last 10 years it has dwindled markedly.

Any other seabreezers down the southern end of PPB over xmas ?
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