furling spinnakers.

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Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
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27 Sep 2016 6:45am
Im just wondering if any of you racers , use furling spinnakers.
My own experience is limited to the last 2 races in the last month.
All i can say is, it doesnt seem to be as efficient as just dropping the kite and pulling it in the forward hatch and vice versa.
The first time we used it, the torsion line wasnt tight enough(too long) so it was shortened for the last race.
it seemed to work ok but it took alot of winding to get the furl started.
As im on the foredeck doing this stuff, i notice certain things.
Firstly the rope around the drum is only 8mm. This is the rope you need to wind like mad to start the furl and then furl the kite in. your hands slip through it and keeping traction on the furl is difficult.
1 thing that happened last week was we must have over wound the drum because we ended up with twists in the torsion line in 2 directions.
This meant we couldnt sort this out onboard and this sail was rooted til it was off the boat, in a loft. I tried down below to untwist it whilst we were tacking back up and i was getting close but the twist was so bad and we had deployed another furling spinnaker ready for the next downward leg.

In theory, this system could work really well, but when things go wrong with them, they really go wrong. I mean the first day we tried it, it was 25knots and we had a major broach. the front of the bow was under for a second. we couldnt get it furled as the rope around the drum was caught. in our case on this boat the furling drum gets extruded out from the bow on a pole about 5 feet so the sail maker who was aboard and pretty light, scaled out there to untangle it. We nearly lost him in the drink cause this is when the broach happened.
Is it worth it?
boty
boty
QLD
685 posts
QLD, 685 posts
27 Sep 2016 8:16am
im not a huge fan of them as you said when they go well they are awesome when they fail they are real scary i have one for my code 0 we decided it was quicker and safer to set as a normal kite on the peel strop than use the furler which occasionally goes wrong as on a heavy displacement boat mistakes in maneuvers cost a lot of time with having to rebuild momentum
i also sail a bit on a 40 foot fast cat where the screecher is set on a furler though this occasionally goes wrong it seems the only practical way to handle the sail as you are often on the breeze when furling it , though all of the spinnakers on the cat are set normally with out any problem
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
27 Sep 2016 11:25am
Is a sock a better option?
twodogs1969
twodogs1969
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
27 Sep 2016 3:59pm
What sort of spinnaker?
Furler is good for a code 0 or sceacher.
socks are great for short handed
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
29 Sep 2016 8:07am
Look at the Harken Reflex Furlers.

They have a new plastic covered s/s wire that twists the top as soon as you start furling the bottom, no more issues.

From all reports of people that have them, they work amazingly well.
PhoenixStar
PhoenixStar
QLD
477 posts
QLD, 477 posts
29 Sep 2016 10:38am
Had one on a 47 ft cat, used a Profurl wheel with the endless rope around a maxwell pot hauler. Hoist it, roll it out then slacken the halyard a bit till it got the right shape. Tread on the foot switch to put it away. easy single handed and with the halyard taunt it assumed a shape that let me sail down to 60 degrees apparent. We used a pair of torsion resistant luff ropes.
Sectorsteve
Sectorsteve
QLD
2195 posts
QLD, 2195 posts
29 Sep 2016 3:10pm
PhoenixStar said..
Had one on a 47 ft cat, used a Profurl wheel with the endless rope around a maxwell pot hauler. Hoist it, roll it out then slacken the halyard a bit till it got the right shape. Tread on the foot switch to put it away. easy single handed and with the halyard taunt it assumed a shape that let me sail down to 60 degrees apparent. We used a pair of torsion resistant luff ropes.



Well that sounds awesome! but this is hydraulic?
Our one is me being the hydraulics...
i think it has potential but needs some getting used to and set up.
PhoenixStar
PhoenixStar
QLD
477 posts
QLD, 477 posts
29 Sep 2016 3:24pm
Sectorsteve said..


PhoenixStar said..
Had one on a 47 ft cat, used a Profurl wheel with the endless rope around a maxwell pot hauler. Hoist it, roll it out then slacken the halyard a bit till it got the right shape. Tread on the foot switch to put it away. easy single handed and with the halyard taunt it assumed a shape that let me sail down to 60 degrees apparent. We used a pair of torsion resistant luff ropes.





Well that sounds awesome! but this is hydraulic?
Our one is me being the hydraulics...
i think it has potential but needs some getting used to and set up.



No, Maxwell and Muir make small electric capstan Winches. I use them a lot now that I am over the hill. got one on the Star to haul the main halyard and the vang and topping lift and main sheet. As a wheel furler you take a couple of turns around the winch that's mounted on the side deck, then use a small snatch block in the slack loop to provide tension. Same winch then doubles as a furler for the genoa drum . Show you a pic of the one on the Star if you are interested.
You don't have to leave the cockpit often and i even left the wound up spinnaker up the mast if there was a short windward leg. You could use the same setup for a flying drifter if you were cashed up enough to own one.
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