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dkturnbull
dkturnbull
40 posts
40 posts
15 Jun 2011 7:42pm
Was up at Brisbane Waters near gosford on the long weekend and noticed on the monday a yacht had broken its mooring and was stuck in the mud at low tide layed over with water lapping at the top of the side. Thought i should do the right thing and called the local vmr they responded with maritime is dealing with it. So i thought no more of it. Went back past where the boat was 4.5 hours later and to my surprise the yacht was still there but tide was up and was floating again but close to the rocks. So i decided to ring gosford police station and make a report the officer i reported it to said they were going to pass it onto water police and asked me if they could pass my number for directions which i said yes too. So thinking it was delt with carried on with my plans. Tuesday morning i went back past where the yacht was and couldnt believe it was still there only thing that saved it was its keel stuck in the mud. At around ten maritime pulled it out. Due to there delay the boat could have easily been lost but luckily it was a good outcome.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7758 posts
NSW, 7758 posts
16 Jun 2011 8:55am
This is exactly why I started the Facebook page for local yachts in my homeport. That yacht you mentioned will probably end up In Waterways "protection" and we will see it auctioned off later.
Last year when we had an unusually fierce storm, half a dozen boats came off moorings here. The rescue association did recover one but the rest were left to their owners to recover, perhaps they were not members. Plenty of people watched these boats drift off but had no idea who the owners were to contact. Pointless trying to contact Waterways on a weekend and they are unlikely to pass out info anyway. Your pretty much dependant on friends and neighbours in this situation. Fortunately all these vessels landed on soft mud or oyster leases but I encountered people that day I had never seen before and they were on the next mooring in one case.
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
VIC, 1230 posts
16 Jun 2011 12:28pm
It seems as though the owner cares the VERY least. Do we really expect "the government" to look after privately owned property.
The VMR I should imagine are strapped for cash as it is without having to look after neglected property. I trust that the police can recover their costs involved with this salvage as I really don't see why Joe taxpayer should.
With my boat I don't allow random members of the public to use it. therefore I don't expect them to pay for it.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
16 Jun 2011 6:07pm
Agree with Frant. However, once an 'authority' is aware of a boat adrift and a hazard to navigation and the environment they have an obligation to take appropriate action. I expect NSW Maritime would appreciate a note on this incident. Whether the owner pays for it depends on the degree of negligence involved.
LexA
LexA
QLD
54 posts
QLD, 54 posts
17 Jun 2011 3:39am
I read in cruising helmsman magazine a couple of issues ago and it was made clear in the recent Brisbane floods that VMR are forbidden from boarding any boat that is unattended regardless of circumstance and that the instruction came about because some time ago VMR boarded one boat not once but twice ... made it secure both times but the weather was such that it broke free again and was damaged... the owner of the boat then took it upon himself to file a damages suit against that VMR branch and so the directive came down from their executive that they are not allowed to board or touch unattended boats till the results of this suit are known... It was also made clear that VMR would love to help secure unattended boats that come adrift and it also saddens them that they are not allowed to help.

At the moment VMR are not indemnified from claim and government needs to legislate to change that.

So yep I guess we are on our own... also remember the VMR charter is to rescue people ... not property .... yes they may be able to help at times but thats not the primary aim of VMR groups. For now until the indemnity situation is sorted out I guess their hands are tied in red tape not of their making ...
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2711 posts
NSW, 2711 posts
18 Jun 2011 1:11pm
I read that Cruising Helmsman article and believe it to be correct as is the VMR objective of saving life. However, once alerted of the problem it is incumbent on them, and anybody else for that matter, to alert the Water Police that there is a hazard to navigation and the environment. The Police can legally board the vessel and secure it.
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
NSW
527 posts
NSW, 527 posts
18 Jun 2011 5:41pm
Also, there is some really weird laws of salvage
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7758 posts
NSW, 7758 posts
18 Jun 2011 6:34pm
Jedibrad said...

Also, there is some really weird laws of salvage


Its actually quite hard to claim salvage or lose a boat to salvage. The biggest problem these days is from an environmental point of view. Especially if you happen to spill some diesel or oil. Boat washes up on a beach or sinks at a mooring or wharf and oils escapes, it gets reported and before you know it it has been barricaded and the fire brigade is called in to clean it up. Then they go looking to collect the fees. Locally this happened and the bill was $60,000, boat was probably worth $10,000. Suddenly no one knew who the owner was. No idea what happened but the boat disappeared.

Many years ago a concrete yacht washed up ashore in Callala Bay, Jervis Bay. It was soon half full of sand. The owner had to have it blown up and remove all the pieces.
BenSchionnin
BenSchionnin
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
30 Jun 2011 10:28am

Recently there was a 40 odd foot motor cruiser here in the Myall River at Hawks Nest/Tea Gardens that sank during some heavy rain and strong winds. Just the cabin top was visible, it was still attached to the mooring but sitting on the bottom. The mooring was right on the edge of the channel, and despite numerous people calling Waterways and Coast Guard etc, the boat sat there for 5 days before a private salvage company refloated it and towed it to the slipway. Seems to me Waterways should be onto this kind of thing, especially when this poses quite a danger to other vessels using the channel - anyone could have easily hit it and then you've got two problems.
dkturnbull
dkturnbull
40 posts
40 posts
30 Jun 2011 5:36pm
Even a local with a trailer boat could have done something to help it. Gone are the days where people look out for each other.
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