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bubble7777
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18 Oct 2015 8:46pm
so I got my wife this for her sea sickness

reliefband.com.au/

well that was a waste of $149 ( lucky it has money back guarantee that I will be using)

she reported that while on deck she was feeling sick maybe 2 out of 10 ( which would have been the same regardless of the band I'm sure) . she went below to use the head and said ill take the sick bag with me. I thought she was joking. within no more than 2 minutes she was vomiting into the bag. it came on that quick.

now obviously all the preventative things like ginger, good nights sleep, no alcohol before and all the other things will not work in this situation as it seems to be so extreme. literally she gets sea sick when in the cabin when its on the dock.


has ay one used or heard of these

www.xpand.me/products/xpand-anti-motion-sickness-glasses/

is this about to be my next snake oil purchase!

some evidence to say the LCD glasses help motion sickness

ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070016633.pdf








MorningBird
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18 Oct 2015 10:18pm
I suffer pretty badly on occasions. If she will use medication and doesn't have heart problems I highly recommend ET's Seasickness capsules from Bova Compounding Chemist in Caringbah. Developed for Andrew Ettingshausen so he could do his fishing show while suffering chronic seasickness, hence the name, the working ingredient is scopolamine with ginger and caffeine etc.
I use them and am ok in big seas and winds. I don't suffer any side effects with the normal strength capsules. They have a double strength capsule, they didn't work any better on me and did make me a bit dry and drowsy.
My sister gets airsick in an A380 at cruise in smooth air. These worked for her as well so she is no longer apprehensive about flying.
hangtime
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18 Oct 2015 10:51pm
Warm tuna milkshake usually does the trick!
cisco
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18 Oct 2015 10:27pm

Ginger is effective I believe as is Stugeron.
bubble7777
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18 Oct 2015 10:30pm
MorningBird said..
I suffer pretty badly on occasions. If she will use medication and doesn't have heart problems I highly recommend ET's Seasickness capsules from Bova Compounding Chemist in Caringbah. Developed for Andrew Ettingshausen so he could do his fishing show while suffering chronic seasickness, hence the name, the working ingredient is scopolamine with ginger and caffeine etc.
I use them and am ok in big seas and winds. I don't suffer any side effects with the normal strength capsules. They have a double strength capsule, they didn't work any better on me and did make me a bit dry and drowsy.
My sister gets airsick in an A380 at cruise in smooth air. These worked for her as well so she is no longer apprehensive about flying.



cheers I might give them a try



hangtime said..
Warm tuna milkshake usually does the trick!



yum
bubble7777
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18 Oct 2015 10:38pm
cisco said..

Ginger is effective I believe as is Stugeron.


yeah I will try that as well. its just every sick trip is more evidence of why she wont go sailing again. which i can understand. if someone asked me to go out with them for the day that guaranteed me feeling terrible I would be a little less than enthusiastic.

simmrr
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18 Oct 2015 10:04pm
After spending weeks at sea on a crayboat and tuna longliner I can say there are 4 types of people that I have seen.
1 will not get sick at all.
2 like myself will be mildly sick on the first day and will get over it.
3 will be very sick, often for days but will eventually come round.
4 lastly there are some that never get over it and these I feel sorry for after many days at sea with no promise of going back to shore.

Everybody is different but perhaps you need to see about doing a couple of days to find out if your wife will come good. Just doing a day here and there won't work as the body will readjust each time. Just hope your wife is not number 4 and she never talks to you again.
andy59
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19 Oct 2015 1:00pm
Have you tried travelcalm original in the blue pack? I find it works for me and is stocked at all chemists.
McNaughtical
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19 Oct 2015 5:00pm
My son used to get seasick detailing boats on a marina.

His first trip with me I gave him raw unprocessed ginger. He kept a bit in his mouth the whole time and gave it a bit more of a chew when the flavour ran out. He survived the 12 hour trip without getting sick. I also got him to stay on deck and not go downstairs till he was well and truly ok hours into the trip.

He works on boats at sea regularly now and is fine.
bubble7777
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19 Oct 2015 5:45pm
McNaughtical said..
My son used to get seasick detailing boats on a marina.

His first trip with me I gave him raw unprocessed ginger. He kept a bit in his mouth the whole time and gave it a bit more of a chew when the flavour ran out. He survived the 12 hour trip without getting sick. I also got him to stay on deck and not go downstairs till he was well and truly ok hours into the trip.

He works on boats at sea regularly now and is fine.


hmmm interesting. there does seem to be the common belief that people get used to it under most circumstances.
BlueMoon
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19 Oct 2015 3:56pm
An unfortunate side effect of scopolamine (even in low doses for some people) can be apathy & lethargy.
Has happened to me, could be dangerous when single-handing. It does work as seasick prevention, but I'd test it first to see if it effects you.
cheers
MorningBird
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19 Oct 2015 7:16pm
I haven't used ginger on its own. However, two of my crew over the years have, on different trips. They both swore that it was a natural remedy as good as other 'drugs'. They both threw up for the 3 day passages. Yes it was pretty rough both times.
Agree on side effects, Travelcalm and Kwells put me to sleep within the hour. It pays to experiment if at first you don't succeed.
surfershaneA
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19 Oct 2015 7:22pm
Doctors can prescribe stuff that works. Forgot the name, but from distant memories, I think it was an antihistamine?
bubble7777
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19 Oct 2015 11:07pm
Phenergan?
Crusoe
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20 Oct 2015 11:46am
Just try making your self eat. Never start out on an empty stomach. Keep nibbles handy in the cockpit so no effort is required to get you hands on them. Eat a dry bicky if you even get the slightest hint the Mel der Mer is coming. As a matter of fact keep eating like a cow, grazing all the time.

This approach works for me and I will be giving another test in a couple of days with a 6 day passage to be done. Unfortunately for me, I use to get sea sick all the time no matter what drugs I took until I tried this eating idea out.
Yara
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20 Oct 2015 10:09pm
bubble7777 said..
Phenergan?


Phenergan definately puts you to sleep. My family use it on long flights for exactly that.
bubble7777
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20 Oct 2015 9:14pm
Yara said..

bubble7777 said..
Phenergan?



Phenergan definately puts you to sleep. My family use it on long flights for exactly that.


yeah that's what I use it for as well.. when you wake up though I often still feel drowsy
AusCan
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22 Oct 2015 1:47pm
BlueMoon said..
An unfortunate side effect of scopolamine (even in low doses for some people) can be apathy & lethargy.
Has happened to me, could be dangerous when single-handing. It does work as seasick prevention, but I'd test it first to see if it effects you.
cheers


I use it but I can't be bothered trying to find something else.


Actually, I'm one of the lucky ones that don't get seasick. My kids suffered with it did a fair bit until recently. Since I've replaced the old smoky volvo, and replaced the fuel tank which had a very slight leak and cleaned up the bilge - the problem has decreased dramatically. It seems not everyone loves the smell of diesel.
jbshack
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22 Oct 2015 2:35pm
I spent a lot of time on Leeuwin sailing as a kid and young adult. When we went out on a ten day voyage (My first was the Bicentennial voyage Melbourne to Tassy ) we were all told about these miraculous pills that would stop us being sick with in the hour. But as they were expensive we had to tough it out first few days and most would just get over it naturally once they found their sea legs. Cool.

So next trip out and i sailed as a watch leader and we just taught what we learnt as trainees. We also had to watch the people who were very sick and report their condition regularly to permeant crew. Anyway this one girl was in a very bad way after three days and they agreed to prescribe one of the "Miracle" pills. Well first they scrapped the letter G of it and i was forced to give this poor girl (Who i had lied too) a placebo Anyway literally almost to the tee an hour latter she was sitting up and asking for food. Needless to say, i threw up for the next day after learning id been tricked all those years.

Apparently two different types of sea sickness. First is simply in your head, sell a placebo well enough, it will work, second is a real condition that often is associated with travel sickness, dizziness and even inner ear and sight problems. These people can normally find medication that will work. But it can take different methods for different people. Some will have them the night before and then the morning also, others might need them on food or others on empty stomach. Their are a lot of different medications out their, and just because the first one doesn't work, don't give up..

For people who get sick i find also good communication and explanation to them as to what is happening on the boat and voyage. Often nervousness and anticipation are the biggest problem. Take their mind of it and they'll be much better, obvious i know, but i find communication is such a key for happy boating. What we might think is obvious can often be very foreign for others.



jacktheflyer
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25 Oct 2015 5:40pm
I swear on Stugeron. Its not available in Australia but can be purchased in a similar form as Travelcalm from overseas. My wife gets severe sea sickness and has tried all the gimicky things. She has been that bad she cannot walk due to the motion. It can make you a bit tired as it is an antihistamine but works for me.

Scrubby
TheMisfit
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31 Oct 2015 8:41am
I use a reliefband and it DOES work, but only if it's correctly positioned and turned up high enough.

I also supplement it with a seasickness tablet during day time on my first day out at sea.

The reliefband is perhaps the single most effective tool against sickness as it continues to work even if you are actually sick, unlike a tablet.
its not infallible, but to get the best outof a relief band I'd suggest using it thus:

get the band positioned on the wrist. make sure the band is switched on and around level 2 or 3. it should give a buzzing pulse running into the palm.
I keep mine under my base layer and am able to switch it off when I sleep, when I wake, to go on watch, before I lift myhead, I switch the band on to at least 3, maybe 4. I give it 5 minutes to have any effect.
I can then get up, get my foulies on, boots on and head outside.

I don't need it while outside so switch it off.
When I feel hungry, I switch it on, give it 5 minutes and depending on sea state depends on the level. But if I have to go below for cooking, then it will be on level 4 possibly 5 (maximum)

it wont stop you being sick if you are really succeptible but it will make it bearable and give the person a better chance to get over motion sicknes more quickly. It is also scientifically proven. It works on all kinds of nausea, not just seasickness.

stick with it, honestly. I knew a chap who used two, one on each wrist turned up to the max. It was the only thing that made it possible for him to sail sometimes.
Yara
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31 Oct 2015 3:13pm
TheMisfit said..
I use a reliefband and it DOES work, but only if it's correctly positioned and turned up high enough.

I also supplement it with a seasickness tablet during day time on my first day out at sea.

The reliefband is perhaps the single most effective tool against sickness as it continues to work even if you are actually sick, unlike a tablet.
its not infallible, but to get the best outof a relief band I'd suggest using it thus:

get the band positioned on the wrist. make sure the band is switched on and around level 2 or 3. it should give a buzzing pulse running into the palm.
I keep mine under my base layer and am able to switch it off when I sleep, when I wake, to go on watch, before I lift myhead, I switch the band on to at least 3, maybe 4. I give it 5 minutes to have any effect.
I can then get up, get my foulies on, boots on and head outside.

I don't need it while outside so switch it off.
When I feel hungry, I switch it on, give it 5 minutes and depending on sea state depends on the level. But if I have to go below for cooking, then it will be on level 4 possibly 5 (maximum)

it wont stop you being sick if you are really succeptible but it will make it bearable and give the person a better chance to get over motion sicknes more quickly. It is also scientifically proven. It works on all kinds of nausea, not just seasickness.

stick with it, honestly. I knew a chap who used two, one on each wrist turned up to the max. It was the only thing that made it possible for him to sail sometimes.



Where did you buy your band? Is it the same as the "Relief Band" linked to in an earlier post? I have only seen the static version with pressure balls.
bubble7777
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31 Oct 2015 3:24pm
TheMisfit said..
I use a reliefband and it DOES work, but only if it's correctly positioned and turned up high enough.

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the large amount of vomit in the bag would suggest otherwise and yes it was at level 3 and set up properly. I will give it one more go but I'm sceptical as to its usefulness.
myusernam
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31 Oct 2015 5:15pm
Try sitting under a tree
TheMisfit
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31 Oct 2015 4:25pm
The relief band I've got has 5 settings.
If I'm feeling particularly bilious it's on 5.

Mine is the older style band where you can change the battery.

I bought one for my friend who gets terribly sick even just sitting on my boat on the pontoon mooring (it rocks around a lot as I'm on the entrance of Portsmouth harbour in the firing line of ferries and pilot boats)

She was sceptical.
She also feels ill on the pendolino trains that lean so tested it on that.
She was able to read a book etc and arrived feeling completely normal after a 3 hour journey that would usually leave her feeling wrecked.
Still sceptical, she switched it off on the return journey. Within seconds she felt sick.

Apparently the electronic stimulation on the acupressure point is rather like a defibrillator for our digestive system. The electronic pulse maintains the natural rhythm of the digestive tract when our bodies/brain switches it off during motion sickness in a natural self preservation act when the brain can't work out what's going on it tries to save energy by switching off the system.

So it's not infallible, but combine the electric band with a simple tablet like kwells or sturgeron and you won't find a better combination.

TheMisfit
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31 Oct 2015 4:28pm
I got mine online from a chandlery that was selling through eBay.

The simple pressure bands work a little bit, but not enough for me.
I prefer the electronic one.
They're expensive but worth every penny in my experience.

And yes it's the same as the one in the op, though mines older. I've had mine for 3 years and it has a darker blue face. Essentially the same thing.
Crusoe
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5 Nov 2015 6:38pm
Crusoe said..
Just try making your self eat. Never start out on an empty stomach. Keep nibbles handy in the cockpit so no effort is required to get you hands on them. Eat a dry bicky if you even get the slightest hint the Mel der Mer is coming. As a matter of fact keep eating like a cow, grazing all the time.

This approach works for me and I will be giving another test in a couple of days with a 6 day passage to be done. Unfortunately for me, I use to get sea sick all the time no matter what drugs I took until I tried this eating idea out.


Yep, completed my six day passage (Solo). I was reading books and watching movies all the time. Any feelings of 'mel der mer' were quickly brought under control with a simple sao. Food works for me, when nothing electronic or drug related has succeeded in the past.
Chris 249
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5 Nov 2015 8:29pm
My wife is a neuroscientist who has an honours student who has worked in motion sickness testing. The placebo effect is very real, and something else that works really well is giving people the belief (true or not) that they have some control over the motion. This ties in with the old observation that giving someone the helm can reduce their sea sickness. Perhaps even giving someone the mainsheet or traveller "to help ease the boat over the swells" could work, although that's not going to work very well if they are using the head.

The other thing they have noticed during testing is that people vary a lot in the way they are effected by particular types of motion. That explains why some people will, for example, swear that a catamaran or heavy displacement boat is less likely to make you sick. It's not a general rule, merely their own sensory mechanism.

The other rule, of course, is never to stand up or sit up down below. Either go on deck or (if you can) get in your bunk.

I got to the stage where I was OK unless until you're going for a reef or two going upwind on the way to Hobart on a 2.3 ton boat. Just have one or two chucks and you're OK. Then you cook something fragrant in the galley and offer everyone else a warm salmon milkshake and lard on toast. It does wonders for them, truly.

PS - sorry for those with incurable seasickness.


TheMisfit
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6 Nov 2015 3:22am
My mate asked me if it was a placebo effect making the electric band work, to which I replied, I don't care, as long as it works.

I don't think it is placebo effect in this case, but either way, I don't mind. It works when nothing else has. I'm glad I've got it and several of my guests have been too when I've fitted it to them.

dkd
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6 Nov 2015 5:21pm
jacktheflyer said..
I swear on Stugeron. Its not available in Australia but can be purchased in a similar form as Travelcalm from overseas. My wife gets severe sea sickness and has tried all the gimicky things. She has been that bad she cannot walk due to the motion. It can make you a bit tired as it is an antihistamine but works for me.

Scrubby


I asked in the USofA for Sturgeron (for someone else) and had chemist etc asking why why ..... cant buy it there either, only UK I believe

It has an interesting effect on a lot of people, basically sends them trippy, (Trips vary from person to person), not something I want to deal with on a boat

My ex got seasick and would not stop racing offshore (until she re-married and he stopped her) .... she took nothing and would work work her entire watch and then just clip on and sleep in the front of the cockpit. She said her other choice was staying an the beach and that was not a choice.

Ginger is the best and what I suggest for guys at sea with me now, doesn't make them tired or drowsy and so I can keep working them.

But in the end if something works for you .... excelente.
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