self managed boat share

> 10 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
robbospy
robbospy
5 posts
5 posts
11 Feb 2015 7:55pm
i'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this type of thing!
what i'm looking for is like minded people that may be interested in a self managed yacht share..
i know they are out there, but bouy!! they are hard to find a place in one.
for me, i would like to spend around 20k for a 1/10 share of a 35-40 ftr.... there abouts.
somewhere on the east coast, syd to whitsundays, maybe on a swing mooring.
anyone interested?
any ideas?

HG02
HG02
VIC
5814 posts
VIC, 5814 posts
11 Feb 2015 11:00pm
robbospy said..
i'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this type of thing!
what i'm looking for is like minded people that may be interested in a self managed yacht share..
i know they are out there, but bouy!! they are hard to find a place in one.
for me, i would like to spend around 20k for a 1/10 share of a 35-40 ftr.... there abouts.
somewhere on the east coast, syd to whitsundays, maybe on a swing mooring.
anyone interested?
any ideas?



Thers a cheap walker H28 up in dampier WA ,Ive thought of that as a boatshare slowly moving done to the east coast it probably needs top much work though
Been sitting on the hard for many year with the sun beating own on it. Then Add boat dollars.
Would be nice to find a cheap yacht in the Adriatic sea for a boat share and have lots of share holders two week a year 25 people. Probally all want the same two weeks though
FreeRadical
FreeRadical
WA
855 posts
WA, 855 posts
12 Feb 2015 1:32am
IMO a self managed syndicate of 10 would be horrible. It's too many people and any written agreement cannot cover everything, there is too much potential for disagreement, factional control; and hugely wasted time dealing with so many owners.

I am currently in a syndicate of 4, and was previously in a syndicate of 5. I would not go above 5 unless there was some external management, and that's not the kind of syndicate I like anyway. In a smaller syndicate, I feel like an owner. In a 10 syndicate, I think i'd feel more like just a renter.

My experience with 4 and 5 has been excellent, but even that is not without some extended debate over various issues. You still have to negotiate numerous matters and not everyone will be 100% pleased all of the time. You need to be the type of person who is happy to give and take a bit.

I don't get your vagueness on location. Firstly, I like being close to my yacht where i can enjoy it, even just to tinker about on some maintenance. If you lived in say Sydney, why would you want a 10 share yacht in the Whitsundays? Just go and rent one for a week or two. If you had a small syndicate in the Whitsundays so you could go and spend a month or two up there or move it about, then that could be different.

Consider a smaller private syndicate in a late model production yacht. Something that might be easier to get out of if it doesn't work out. A syndicate of $30k x 5 would get a very very good 35' boat. I'd target a share at $20-40k. I think above $40k in a share is for a very small market.

Contact some of the professional syndicate management companies. At the end of existing syndicates, some members might be looking to roll into a small private syndicate.

Check out some of the boats listed for sale, you never know if an owner might be interested in a syndicate rather than selling the whole boat.






seabird
seabird
QLD
227 posts
QLD, 227 posts
12 Feb 2015 9:35am
robbospy said..
i'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this type of thing!
what i'm looking for is like minded people that may be interested in a self managed yacht share..
i know they are out there, but bouy!! they are hard to find a place in one.
for me, i would like to spend around 20k for a 1/10 share of a 35-40 ftr.... there abouts.
somewhere on the east coast, syd to whitsundays, maybe on a swing mooring.
anyone interested?
any ideas?



I have similar thoughts, I'm in Brisbane where are you ?
I was in a four share arrangement a few years back worked out well- someone to sail with and costs shared

I currently have my own 10m yacht on a berth but the costs of ownership are high.
robbospy
robbospy
5 posts
5 posts
12 Feb 2015 8:34pm
hi hg02
i have seen a few boats around, and there are plenty of cheap ones.
i'm not really after something that would require immediate work..... a couple of good years sailing first would be nice!
the time sharing of weeks would be difficult i guess, but hey.... you never know if you don't give it a shot..
25 shares is probably pushing the boundaries a little, but to be realistic, on average with trying to align holidays with my wife, 2 weeks might be all we get.
robbospy
robbospy
5 posts
5 posts
12 Feb 2015 8:53pm
hi radical
i agree, a syndicate of 10 could be a recipe for disaster.
but a syndicate of 1 would automatically be a disaster for me... the expense of the boat and mooring... etc .... etc.... etc.

you maybe very right.. 5 is probably better and easier to be part of.
i think though, if i can only average 2 to 3 weeks a year... plus maybe miss a year here and there. the more syndicate members the better.

i live in melb and maybe its just familiarity.... but the bay just doesnt' do it for me... i google earthed sydney (never been there) but it looks great. i think i could sail around there for 10years and not see it all.... (2 weeks at a time)

i was up sailing the whitsundays, 20yrs ago and l would love to sail there again. but it was very expensive.... even then a 36 ftr for 10 nights was about $8000.
if i compare that to a share in a 50 or 60k boat... that's a one off 5 or 6k for around 5 weeks a year, every year... and with the running costs divided, i'm guessing about 3k pa... and then, i can always sell my share when i want. (if someone will buy it)

thanks for chatting, i appreciate what you have said... i'm not brushing it aside. its food for thought.
robbospy
robbospy
5 posts
5 posts
12 Feb 2015 9:02pm
hey seabird
i'm glad to see there are others out there that share the same thoughts.... i knew i wasn't alone... (hello, is anybody out there!!)
i've been kicking this bloody idea around for about30yrs... married twice and neither wife is really up for it! (bring on number 3) just kidding.
i cant really blame my wife... i have to take some responsibility for making my dreams come true.

i live in melb,but i think heading north would be a better proposition to sail..

was it a scary thing to actually take the plunge and by your own?

have you got many hrs sailing under your belt now?
seabird
seabird
QLD
227 posts
QLD, 227 posts
13 Feb 2015 8:14am
robbospy said..
hey seabird
i'm glad to see there are others out there that share the same thoughts.... i knew i wasn't alone... (hello, is anybody out there!!)
i've been kicking this bloody idea around for about30yrs... married twice and neither wife is really up for it! (bring on number 3) just kidding.
i cant really blame my wife... i have to take some responsibility for making my dreams come true.

i live in melb,but i think heading north would be a better proposition to sail..

was it a scary thing to actually take the plunge and by your own?

have you got many hrs sailing under your belt now?


I think with any major purchase you question if you are doing the right thing and are nervous. But looking back after 7 years of ownership I'm glad I made the decision to purchase, it's given me a lot of great memories and I've meet some good people.
You are long time dead so you have to live, don't leave it too late.

On average I get out every 2 weeks usually overnight, being only 10m I can sail by myself if my wife doesn't want to come. Often I finish work early on a Friday and go out and come back Saturday. Moreton Bay has a few nice anchorages within 2hrs sail of my marina so it makes it easy.
I think its important if you do decide to purchase that you "keep it simple' if it becomes difficult you won't use the boat much.

I think the perfect arrangement is to buy with a friend with a 50/50 share.
In that arrangement your costs are cut in half, you have someone to sail with, the boat gets used more often and there's someone to help with the maintenance.

You can get some nice yachts around the $50-60k, split between 2 or 3 people it makes for cheap sailing.
If you only have time to sail 2-3 weeks a year you would be better off doing a bareboat charter twice a year rather than ownership.

Good luck
slothbag
slothbag
7 posts
7 posts
28 Apr 2015 7:38pm
Hi Robbospy, I have found www.boatsonline.com.au/ seem to be the best place to go for share boats, they even have a dedicated section for just syndicates.. www.boatsonline.com.au/boats/boat-shares.html

I found a syndicate via boatpoint.com.au with 2 (now 3) members, it has worked well so far. I get plenty of time on the boat. Its a great way to cut costs.

We also use an awesome web based syndicate management software package for self management of the syndicate operation.. allows us to book usage, track expenses and write journals etc. Highly recommended.
Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply