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FOIL SUP on a 5"10 Board

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Created by Filow 4 months ago, 10 Feb 2019
Filow
45 posts
10 Feb 2019 9:35PM
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Hi everyone !

I own a GONG ALLVATOR 70CM and the XXL wing. I am wondering of getting the shortest SUP FOIL as possible and I found the SUNOVA SURF SUP FOIL board in 5"10 for 95L. Did anyone here ever rode this board ? my Weight is 65 KG so I hope getting a board like this will bring me the best of the SUP World close to a Surf feeling. Any opinion ?

Here is the Link

sunovasurfboards.com/en/sup/sup-foiling/sup-foilboard


The 6"3 model for 135L look nice too !

juandesooka
245 posts
11 Feb 2019 1:46AM
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I'll let you know in about 3-4 weeks. Buddy and I found a cheap chunk of EPS foam and have embarked on a DIY project. Two boards 6'0" x 28" x approx 5". Shamelessly stealing shape/design from Kalama and SupSurfmachines.com. We both have boards that are currently 7.6ish, so this will be the first time riding something this small. Where we live, there's not really much opportunity for demos or buying used, so we decided to just go for it.

As I understand it, the extra thickness in the middle provides similar flotation as a longer board designed for surfing. (btw, I think you mean the 6.3 and 115L, the 6.6 sunova is 130L)
The use of flat rails and flat bottom with deep chines and hard rails help it track straight when paddling. And chines help with touchdowns.
Sharp tail, either flat angled or curved, helps with release of board when catching a wave and popping up on foil.
At least from what I've read, fingers crossed that it floats me on that first attempt!

Piros
QLD, 5448 posts
11 Feb 2019 5:34AM
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My mate has the Sunova DW 6-0 x 95 litre , he is 88kg and floats him incrediblely well. He even prones it as well . The main issue you have with super short Sups is the fore and Aft rocking can be quiet unsettling. Something new to get used to but you do master it .The 6-3 is way to big for all that extra foam is an disadvantage in foiling it floats you way too high , making the board tippy and corky , you want the board to sit in the water a little not completely on top.

Filow
45 posts
11 Feb 2019 3:47AM
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Thanks for the feedback ! I ll go for the 5"10 !

paul.j
QLD, 2825 posts
11 Feb 2019 9:06AM
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Filow said..
Thanks for the feedback ! I ll go for the 5"10 !


For your weight a 5'10 will be no worries at all, we are riding 6'1 x 26 at the moment but have new 5'11 x 26 coming very soon that are even easier to ride!!

Filow
45 posts
11 Feb 2019 3:53PM
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From witch Brand Mate ?

paul.j
QLD, 2825 posts
11 Feb 2019 6:25PM
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From witch Brand Mate ?


The best foil board brand in the world mate ONE!!
www.oneoceansports.com

Haha I have to say that as I own the brand but our foil boards are killer and our customs have just gone to the next level with my new 5'11 x 26 x 95L now only 5kg

11 Feb 2019 6:31PM
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I've just been riding the new Jimmy Lewis 5'11 on Maui for the last week & had a ball...I'm 6'1 & 82kg & it paddled great & flew even better...
5'11" X 28.5", 4 3/8" thick, 105 liters







stevet73
NSW, 137 posts
11 Feb 2019 8:18PM
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This is a rookie question but why would you not just go prone if going down to such a short SUP....and then be freed up more (without the paddle)?

Im sure there's a good reason....so thanks in advance....

paul.j
QLD, 2825 posts
11 Feb 2019 8:30PM
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stevet73 said..
This is a rookie question but why would you not just go prone if going down to such a short SUP....and then be freed up more (without the paddle)?

Im sure there's a good reason....so thanks in advance....


When you go Prone you can go way smaller again, around 4'5 seems to be a good size that can still paddle back to line up no worries for most.

On Stand up wave foilboard even in the 5ft range paddling back out is far easier you will catch 10 x more waves and waves that a prone just cant get. The better question sometimes is why would you go prone?

Alot of people look at it like its sup foiling but really all the paddle does is help get on to the wave and then it's just foiling.

Both are cool and both have a place so I say just do both prone and with a paddle and you stoke will be twice as big.

mattllew
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11 Feb 2019 6:50PM
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paul.j said..

Filow said..
From witch Brand Mate ?



The best foil board brand in the world mate ONE!!
www.oneoceansports.com

Haha I have to say that as I own the brand but our foil boards are killer and our customs have just gone to the next level with my new 5'11 x 26 x 95L now only 5kg


just had one made the exact same size. 26 seems like a good width... not sure why some of the super small foil SUPs are more like 28" becuase it will be good SUPers that are using them and lateral stability just isnt a problem with a big keel dangling underneath. The wider boards will catch more on turns though maybe. If anything I went deliberately narrow otherwise I'll completely forget how to ride a 26" wide regular surf SUP. My balance on riding regular Surf SUPs after foiling is already suffering.

Not sure how small its all going to go length wise. I see youve gone 5'11 rather than right down to 5'6 ish like some. Every other sport I've been involved in went too small at some point:
- Windsurf: Ive still got a 65 litre wave board in the loft that looks like a turkish slipper. 'Down the line' it was supposedly for... of course nowadays everybody knows 'down the line' means gusty so the volumes are nearer 85 litre
- Kitesurf: remember Lou Wainman and his 90cm twintips? 115cm was the shortest I ever had but it was still ridiculous to where they eventually settled at about 140-150cm
- Sup: same again... I've had an 80 litre board and enjoyed it at the time but I wouldnt have another that small
- Surf: Kelly slater forced the entire industry to go too small in the 90's. How many days in my teens were wasted on a potato chip when I'd have had way more fun on something more realistic.

it will be interesting to see if sup foil follows the same path

Scotty Mac
SA, 1862 posts
11 Feb 2019 9:02PM
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28 wide is better for me at 92 kg and I don't get your width ideas. 28 is only one inch each side of centre compared to 26 so if your leaning your board over that much an inch matters well then your probably in a heat against Kai Lenny! And that won't be a problem for me....

mattllew
39 posts
11 Feb 2019 8:00PM
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agreed for 92kg... it was more an observation about the very smallest in the range i.e. the ones marketed at ppl whod have been on an 80 litre 25" surf SUP before. I've found the foil (not the width) to be giving me most the stability though. If you're riding high on the foil then I take your point about it not being much difference in terms of catching.... but it does make a differnce if you're low to the water.

Filow
45 posts
12 Feb 2019 7:07AM
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Do you think a 80L is good for 65KG ? I am looking for the Sunova 6"0 downwind Sup actually that is 95L somewhere like this. I saw another 6"0 from F-one that is 80L I am just scared 80L is not enough for my 65L to paddle without issue

paul.j
QLD, 2825 posts
12 Feb 2019 9:45AM
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Filow said..
Do you think a 80L is good for 65KG ? I am looking for the Sunova 6"0 downwind Sup actually that is 95L somewhere like this. I saw another 6"0 from F-one that is 80L I am just scared 80L is not enough for my 65L to paddle without issue




I'm 77kg and ride the 6'1 ONE no worries which is 85L but also have just made the 5'11 x 95L to try something different. 65kg you should be ok on 80Lif the board is made right.
This is me on the 85L board and at the end you can see i can stand on it no worries, even in the roughest DW it still is fine to get enough power stokes in to get up.
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Scotty Mac
SA, 1862 posts
12 Feb 2019 1:31PM
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Def. agree the foil gives a heap of extra stability. When go back on to my surf sup and it feels so so tippy!

Filow
45 posts
12 Feb 2019 2:33PM
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Thanks guys !

stevet73
NSW, 137 posts
13 Feb 2019 4:33PM
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paul.j said..

stevet73 said..
This is a rookie question but why would you not just go prone if going down to such a short SUP....and then be freed up more (without the paddle)?

Im sure there's a good reason....so thanks in advance....



When you go Prone you can go way smaller again, around 4'5 seems to be a good size that can still paddle back to line up no worries for most.

On Stand up wave foilboard even in the 5ft range paddling back out is far easier you will catch 10 x more waves and waves that a prone just cant get. The better question sometimes is why would you go prone?

Alot of people look at it like its sup foiling but really all the paddle does is help get on to the wave and then it's just foiling.

Both are cool and both have a place so I say just do both prone and with a paddle and you stoke will be twice as big.


Agree Paul and good points. I have 2 very different spots down the road. A crazy long sandbar out to sea and another sandbar/reform not too far from shore so have been using the the sup for far from shore and prone for close.....both feel perfect for each respective spot....but not so much when I try to interchange...maybe just too far to paddle far out spot on prone .....

....horses for courses....

Filow
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13 Feb 2019 5:43PM
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paul.j said..

Filow said..
Do you think a 80L is good for 65KG ? I am looking for the Sunova 6"0 downwind Sup actually that is 95L somewhere like this. I saw another 6"0 from F-one that is 80L I am just scared 80L is not enough for my 65L to paddle without issue





I'm 77kg and ride the 6'1 ONE no worries which is 85L but also have just made the 5'11 x 95L to try something different. 65kg you should be ok on 80Lif the board is made right.
This is me on the 85L board and at the end you can see i can stand on it no worries, even in the roughest DW it still is fine to get enough power stokes in to get up.
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I will ride this board in really windy and choppy water. That's why I am wondering between a Sunova Sup Downwind 6"3 and 115L or the 6"0 and 95l with a Maliko 200 foil under and my 65Kg :) What do you think in choppy water condition ?

paul.j
QLD, 2825 posts
13 Feb 2019 8:35PM
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Filow said..

paul.j said..


Filow said..
Do you think a 80L is good for 65KG ? I am looking for the Sunova 6"0 downwind Sup actually that is 95L somewhere like this. I saw another 6"0 from F-one that is 80L I am just scared 80L is not enough for my 65L to paddle without issue






I'm 77kg and ride the 6'1 ONE no worries which is 85L but also have just made the 5'11 x 95L to try something different. 65kg you should be ok on 80Lif the board is made right.
This is me on the 85L board and at the end you can see i can stand on it no worries, even in the roughest DW it still is fine to get enough power stokes in to get up.
&lc=z23ovntihranvpxjb04t1aokgg0hs0kfrbejzxufpppmrk0h00410



I will ride this board in really windy and choppy water. That's why I am wondering between a Sunova Sup Downwind 6"3 and 115L or the 6"0 and 95l with a Maliko 200 foil under and my 65Kg :) What do you think in choppy water condition ?


I think it's only choppy for the short time you are paddling.

I have been on a few Sunova boards and feel since they pull the nose in a bit that maybe the 6'3 would be the smarter choice. I found they really pulled from the nose and I struggled a little with the flater rocker but more than likely just because I am used to something pretty different and the good guys who ride them seem to do fine so I'm sure it was just me.

If you are unsure just go the bigger one it's the safe option!!

Filow
45 posts
13 Feb 2019 6:52PM
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thanks ! Always this choice to make about Pumping ability of shorted board and flotation



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