TooMuchEpoxy said..

AnyBoard said..
TooMuchEpoxy
Lots of your comments don't add up. Gofoil is criticized as the most front footed foils of all (too lifty). Maybe the home made tail is incompatible.
100 kgs on a 24.5 mast trying to pump an NL160. If my understanding is correct the small mast is much flexier and being that short wont help either. I have seen big guys pump an NL160 effectively (2 and 3 for ones) but I don't think you can expect it to pump like a higher aspect wing like the 1210. Now the 1210 is known for its glide and pump but not its speed.

Pumping a 1210 better than a PNL also suggests something is very wrong with your setup. I have seen some ripping done on a PNL by big guys but it is 105cm wide and a downwind wing so obviously it wont surf as well as 93cms wide.

RS1000 is almost exactly the same wingspan and chord as the 980
RS 1150 is almost the same dimensions as the 1210. If you were suited to the 1210 then it seems obvious.

I think at your weight it is such a balancing act going for pump because it will compromise your turning. You don't have a choice but to trade these thing off. 980 cant pump like 1210 but 1210 cant turn like 980. Maybe the NL190 with a better mast and tail would have been more comparable on the turning and the pumping to the 1210.

I think anyone would agree the kujira's were great all round foils in terms of performance.

honestly it's all just so slow(consistent with front foot pressure) Im not willing to go any slower. And of course I've tried a stock tail and angle, what I've done has been just to add speed vs stock.

honestly the GL 140 was fine in terms of area and lift, even in small stuff, so going to the 1000(same span same area) should be fine in all but micro conditions.

the 1000 is what I could get hands on, and if that gives the feels on the good days I'll re-assess for micro days and maybe get the 1150

You were raving about GF the other day. So much better than everything else, now not so good. Big 180 turn. Your feedback is very fickle.

TooMuchEpoxy said..

hilly said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..

AnyBoard said..
TooMuchEpoxy
Lots of your comments don't add up. Gofoil is criticized as the most front footed foils of all (too lifty). Maybe the home made tail is incompatible.
100 kgs on a 24.5 mast trying to pump an NL160. If my understanding is correct the small mast is much flexier and being that short wont help either. I have seen big guys pump an NL160 effectively (2 and 3 for ones) but I don't think you can expect it to pump like a higher aspect wing like the 1210. Now the 1210 is known for its glide and pump but not its speed.

Pumping a 1210 better than a PNL also suggests something is very wrong with your setup. I have seen some ripping done on a PNL by big guys but it is 105cm wide and a downwind wing so obviously it wont surf as well as 93cms wide.

RS1000 is almost exactly the same wingspan and chord as the 980
RS 1150 is almost the same dimensions as the 1210. If you were suited to the 1210 then it seems obvious.

I think at your weight it is such a balancing act going for pump because it will compromise your turning. You don't have a choice but to trade these thing off. 980 cant pump like 1210 but 1210 cant turn like 980. Maybe the NL190 with a better mast and tail would have been more comparable on the turning and the pumping to the 1210.

I think anyone would agree the kujira's were great all round foils in terms of performance.

honestly it's all just so slow(consistent with front foot pressure) Im not willing to go any slower. And of course I've tried a stock tail and angle, what I've done has been just to add speed vs stock.

honestly the GL 140 was fine in terms of area and lift, even in small stuff, so going to the 1000(same span same area) should be fine in all but micro conditions.

the 1000 is what I could get hands on, and if that gives the feels on the good days I'll re-assess for micro days and maybe get the 1150

You were raving about GF the other day. So much better than everything else, now not so good. Big 180 turn. Your feedback is very fickle.

I'm on gofoil because the durability and construction are superior and I've been destroying everything else. It's been a struggle milking out the performance I'm looking for in beach break conditions where I need to be generating speed. In powered point break conditions it's a lot better as that's closer to what the foil was designed around.

What is that performance?
looks ok
www.instagram.com/reel/CXMfwNdB191/?utm_medium=share_sheet

TooMuchEpoxy said..

hilly said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..

hilly said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..

AnyBoard said..
TooMuchEpoxy
Lots of your comments don't add up. Gofoil is criticized as the most front footed foils of all (too lifty). Maybe the home made tail is incompatible.
100 kgs on a 24.5 mast trying to pump an NL160. If my understanding is correct the small mast is much flexier and being that short wont help either. I have seen big guys pump an NL160 effectively (2 and 3 for ones) but I don't think you can expect it to pump like a higher aspect wing like the 1210. Now the 1210 is known for its glide and pump but not its speed.

Pumping a 1210 better than a PNL also suggests something is very wrong with your setup. I have seen some ripping done on a PNL by big guys but it is 105cm wide and a downwind wing so obviously it wont surf as well as 93cms wide.

RS1000 is almost exactly the same wingspan and chord as the 980
RS 1150 is almost the same dimensions as the 1210. If you were suited to the 1210 then it seems obvious.

I think at your weight it is such a balancing act going for pump because it will compromise your turning. You don't have a choice but to trade these thing off. 980 cant pump like 1210 but 1210 cant turn like 980. Maybe the NL190 with a better mast and tail would have been more comparable on the turning and the pumping to the 1210.

I think anyone would agree the kujira's were great all round foils in terms of performance.

honestly it's all just so slow(consistent with front foot pressure) Im not willing to go any slower. And of course I've tried a stock tail and angle, what I've done has been just to add speed vs stock.

honestly the GL 140 was fine in terms of area and lift, even in small stuff, so going to the 1000(same span same area) should be fine in all but micro conditions.

the 1000 is what I could get hands on, and if that gives the feels on the good days I'll re-assess for micro days and maybe get the 1150

You were raving about GF the other day. So much better than everything else, now not so good. Big 180 turn. Your feedback is very fickle.

I'm on gofoil because the durability and construction are superior and I've been destroying everything else. It's been a struggle milking out the performance I'm looking for in beach break conditions where I need to be generating speed. In powered point break conditions it's a lot better as that's closer to what the foil was designed around.

What is that performance?
looks ok
www.instagram.com/reel/CXMfwNdB191/?utm_medium=share_sheet

Yeah, it looks pretty good. RS series is the only reason i'm on gofoil. These other wings are just placeholders.

I'm guessing your gonna find something wrong with it....

Indeed I too am a bit lost. Started this thread to talk about the new RS/GT range of GoFoils.
TOOmuch - not sure what tail setup you are running. However having made many changes of my own stabs I can honestly say the FT totally change the feel of the NL's in the best way. There is so much going on with tails that it is very easy to make a misstep and end up with a brake. Personal experience with that.
As for foot pressure - if the boxes are parallel to the deck and the foil is in CoG for the whole setup both the NL's and RS is neutral. You can make it either front or back foot biased if that floats your boat but I find them perfectly balanced, predictable and damn fun to ride.
Rich

Hi Rich, I think you bought my old GoFoil mainly for the mast. If it was you I was sad to see that you wrecked it on some rocks. The new Go Foils are sounding real good now. In fact all the foil brands have come a long way. Great to see the progress!

Like your set up description. That is how I set up my Armstrong foils and prefer the 0 degree at this time with flying V. New secret weapon tail is coming from a local producer.

Johndg indeed that is I. I'm pretty good at finding the reef at full speed. Thankfully GF gear is insanely strong. Well not that time. Haha.
Glad your gear is working well for you.
Robbo - absolutely coupled with a FT-S you will be frothing. Could almost try a GT 750 too at your weight.

TooMuchEpoxy said..
All i'm trying to say is that despite many tail configurations including stock ive yet to have a great session on the NL160 or PNL. They both feel too big (which makes sense because they are both the biggest foils ive riddin in years). The PNL doesnt turn great (which makes sense because its 42 in long) The NL feels very slow (which makes sense because its very low aspect and THICK and designed to keep and old ass man in the pocket on a chest high point break)

The best size gofoil i've ridden was the GL140 which is the same span and close on area to the RS1000. I don't ride this wing because, despite being a good size, it as a number of awful design issues.

The reason i continue to ride gofoil despite not liking their wings is the durability. I've destroyed most other brands foils pretty quickly, Gofoil is holding up. Its is also not a 20 lb aluminum boat anchor which is nice.

I'm excited to ride the RS series becase it takes steps to solving alot of the speed issues im having. Its thinner(15.8 mm, vs 16.8 on the PNL vs 26.4 on the NL 160). The trailing edge is faired to an appropriate edge. Anhedral is eliminated.

Just ride and enjoy ffs

TooMuchEpoxy said..
The PNL doesnt turn great (which makes sense because its 42 in long) The NL feels very slow (which makes sense because its very low aspect and THICK and designed to keep and old ass man in the pocket on a chest high point break)

The best size gofoil i've ridden was the GL140 which is the same span and close on area to the RS1000. I don't ride this wing because, despite being a good size, it as a number of awful design issues.

I am finding this thread very informative. I graduated from slingshot to gofoil, at the time there were few options available for an all carbon set up, GoFoil was most affordable since everyone was dumping the old low aspect gear to move to higher performance brands (which was an incredibly poor biz decision, dominant market player pretty much gave it away). It is interesting now to see people moving back to GF.

Seems funny to describe NL as "very low aspect", if you compare it to an Iwa or Maliko! I first upgraded to GL series, which I didn't really bond with, quickly updated to NL 160, which has been my go to. I still have GL240 for light days. I am struggling with getting where I want to be in pumping with my NL 160 -- which is think is a combo of poor technique and this not being the best pumper. I got a PNL185, the pump is incredible, never felt that forward drive like that before ... but I find it challenging in faster more powerful waves, and turns slow generally. I've since picked up a "cheap" NL190 from the early adopters, I think this will be my small wave go-to until I figure out this new gear.

I am not yet ready to jump in with the credit card until I have more info, see some real world testing. I have got on the hype train before and been disappointed, particularly when the current must-have becomes last year's dung-heap the moment the new thing comes out. So the question that needs answering is if they are game changers or how much of the glowing reports is stoke goggles. Seeing the world's best on video does nothing to convince me, as they would rip on my old slingshot gear and, frankly, they are paid in free gear so are obligated to say nice things. Or even if they are not paid-for, there is always a risk of the cognitive dissonance thing, if you shell out $x,000 for new gear, you have to be psychologically convinced it is well worth it, or face up to it being not very smart....and so here I am, cynical, paranoid, scared to make the leap ... but also desperately wanting more more more. :-)

Anyways, back to my pump problems, I am confident it is 80% technique, need to watch more videos, analyze, and practice. Also need to get more cardio fitness and leg strength, if I am to be a >60 second man. (at the moment I will settle for greater than 20 second)

juandesooka said..

TooMuchEpoxy said..
The PNL doesnt turn great (which makes sense because its 42 in long) The NL feels very slow (which makes sense because its very low aspect and THICK and designed to keep and old ass man in the pocket on a chest high point break)

The best size gofoil i've ridden was the GL140 which is the same span and close on area to the RS1000. I don't ride this wing because, despite being a good size, it as a number of awful design issues.

I am finding this thread very informative. I graduated from slingshot to gofoil, at the time there were few options available for an all carbon set up, GoFoil was most affordable since everyone was dumping the old low aspect gear to move to higher performance brands (which was an incredibly poor biz decision, dominant market player pretty much gave it away). It is interesting now to see people moving back to GF.

Seems funny to describe NL as "very low aspect", if you compare it to an Iwa or Maliko! I first upgraded to GL series, which I didn't really bond with, quickly updated to NL 160, which has been my go to. I still have GL240 for light days. I am struggling with getting where I want to be in pumping with my NL 160 -- which is think is a combo of poor technique and this not being the best pumper. I got a PNL185, the pump is incredible, never felt that forward drive like that before ... but I find it challenging in faster more powerful waves, and turns slow generally. I've since picked up a "cheap" NL190 from the early adopters, I think this will be my small wave go-to until I figure out this new gear.

I am not yet ready to jump in with the credit card until I have more info, see some real world testing. I have got on the hype train before and been disappointed, particularly when the current must-have becomes last year's dung-heap the moment the new thing comes out. So the question that needs answering is if they are game changers or how much of the glowing reports is stoke goggles. Seeing the world's best on video does nothing to convince me, as they would rip on my old slingshot gear and, frankly, they are paid in free gear so are obligated to say nice things. Or even if they are not paid-for, there is always a risk of the cognitive dissonance thing, if you shell out $x,000 for new gear, you have to be psychologically convinced it is well worth it, or face up to it being not very smart....and so here I am, cynical, paranoid, scared to make the leap ... but also desperately wanting more more more. :-)

Anyways, back to my pump problems, I am confident it is 80% technique, need to watch more videos, analyze, and practice. Also need to get more cardio fitness and leg strength, if I am to be a >60 second man. (at the moment I will settle for greater than 20 second)

I only jumped after seeing them in action and having a demo ride. I strongly recommend you do this as your existing gear may be just as good at what you want it to do. My criteria were turning and 'feel' which the RS excelled at for me. They are not 'game changers' and will not turn me into Austin but they are a step up from my present kit IMO.

Horrocks first Rich then might head down for a bit to see what the fuss is all about after Chrissy lol.

Thanks rich.

I was really impressed with the Rs1000 as a mid aspect surf or wing foil. Amazing turning and drive with great low end lift. Its very easy to ride and forgiving of breaches. My main gripe was I could feel turbulence and drag coming from somewhere on the fuse or tail. I got out of the water wanting one!

If you're looking for an all around wave riding foil, I'd choose this or the Lift 120HA depending on the glide vs turning you want.

I've also heard great things about the kujira 1095. Haven't tried it but based off the design its a definite step forward in performance from their previous wings.

I'm finding the biggest issue with the RS is people keep stealing my gear.. end up stuck at home with the kids. Hehe

www.instagram.com/tv/CXMhcFWhZwT/?utm_medium=copy_link

Missing being in the waves.

Even though the 1000 isn't a DW specific wing it still has an amazing amount of glide.
Jumped on a mates setup yesterday - felt like I was locked in and slow. The RS is just so loose and controlled. This really is an amazing and versatile wing.
Given I'm nudging 90kg and this is my only foil it's range it huuuuuuge.