New No Limiz Foil Mast Looks Awesome

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TooMuchEpoxy
TooMuchEpoxy
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21 Jul 2022 8:00pm
I'm still worried about the electrolytic corrosion on these small aluminum parts in the carbon fuses. The rate of corrosion is a function of the amount of exposed carbon. No doubt NL has their carbon well sealed but I doubt lift or cab has taken care of their end as well and it only takes a few groundings to mess it up. From there the corrosion attacks whatever aluminum is exposed, if there's so much as a scratch on the fuse adapter it goes crazy in that small area . better to have a large amount of exposed aluminum to spread a thin layer of corrosion over a large area.
Piros
Piros
QLD
7311 posts
QLD, 7311 posts
21 Jul 2022 10:06pm
Yeah that's a fair point , I have repaired heaps of Axis cracked wings and all the connection points to the fuse are coated with insulation layer of fibreglass. The one time I used carbon on that area it let go pretty fast when I didn't dismantle the wing for awhile . The anodising does wear off pretty fast . I can only assume the No Limitz may have a better anodising or coating to protect this . I'll find out in a few weeks when mine turn up .
frenchfoiler
frenchfoiler
505 posts
505 posts
22 Jul 2022 2:07am
Piros said..
First of the No Limitz to Cabrinha are coming through , looking very sleek indeed .





I just ordered an adapter from Bigwind for my nolimitz Takauma mast to fit the Cabrinha 1000 I just got (OMG another foil to try...).

I only use twice the nolimitz on my kujira 1095, I like it, way better control and not much drag compared to the alu. My set up is super light which is always nice. The only thing is the angle (mast/fus) is a little bit different so i need to find the best shiming option.
Piros
Piros
QLD
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22 Jul 2022 6:24am
I thought Takuma have the angle built into the fuse not the mast fitting . Send a pic of Tak /Cab fitting when you get it , keen to see how it works . Spoke Eric on the progression report and said the converter was a bit draggy but still felt good .
Alysum
Alysum
NSW
1030 posts
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22 Jul 2022 11:32pm

frenchfoiler said..


I just ordered an adapter from Bigwind for my nolimitz Takauma mast to fit the Cabrinha 1000 I just got (OMG another foil to try...).

I only use twice the nolimitz on my kujira 1095, I like it, way better control and not much drag compared to the alu. My set up is super light which is always nice. The only thing is the angle (mast/fus) is a little bit different so i need to find the best shiming option.


Interesting.... is that a custom adaptor or does No Limitz make it ?

I would love a Takuma to Fone adaptor on the NL.

But with the new Takuma changes coming later this year, the mast to fuse connection will probably change hence I am waiting on that first.
frenchfoiler
frenchfoiler
505 posts
505 posts
23 Jul 2022 4:38am
Alysum said..



frenchfoiler said..



I just ordered an adapter from Bigwind for my nolimitz Takauma mast to fit the Cabrinha 1000 I just got (OMG another foil to try...).

I only use twice the nolimitz on my kujira 1095, I like it, way better control and not much drag compared to the alu. My set up is super light which is always nice. The only thing is the angle (mast/fus) is a little bit different so i need to find the best shiming option.



Interesting.... is that a custom adaptor or does No Limitz make it ?

I would love a Takuma to Fone adaptor on the NL.

But with the new Takuma changes coming later this year, the mast to fuse connection will probably change hence I am waiting on that first.


Custom adaptor (same that makes custom fus)
jagoulet
jagoulet
48 posts
48 posts
23 Aug 2022 5:10am
... after 4 week of usage, the carbon coating starts to peel at the junction between the top and bottom connection. Anyone has the same issue?






toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
23 Aug 2022 9:27am
Here's a pic of a 78cm mast after about a months use, not mine but this is this particular foilers 2nd NL mast (1st broke aswell).
6 posts
23 Aug 2022 2:17pm
I had to warranty 2 due to this same peeling problem. Mine was from the first batch and my wife's from he second. Hers was much worse than mine. The dealer I purchased from sent them back and covered the shipping. aloha
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
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QLD, 2070 posts
23 Aug 2022 4:59pm
I must say that I contacted NoLimitz today as I have a mast in the post & they assured me that they have made some changes to the construction & will warranty any issues.

Fingers crossed
BayAreaKite
BayAreaKite
36 posts
36 posts
25 Aug 2022 5:21am
I am not here to make a plug for Cedrus, but there are a lot of comments/concerns regarding galvanic corrosion and the architecture of aluminum inserts/mounts bonded into carbon masts. I just want to share that in over 4 years, 300+ masts sold, we have not had a single failure like this. Hybrid bonding (two different materials glued together) can be very challenging and expensive, but when done properly, the strength of the joint exceeds the base materials/substrate. It is important to me that these failures not be interpreted as representative problems of similarly designed products.
TooMuchEpoxy
TooMuchEpoxy
452 posts
452 posts
31 Aug 2022 5:48pm
As an aivid foil tinkerer (been building and tinkering with foils for 7 years now) i'd like to thank NL for all this fantastic material to work with! Debonded inserts make for perfect project masts!
marck140
marck140
6 posts
6 posts
18 Oct 2022 8:44am
Any one know for the given no limitz lengths where the measurement is taken from? Is it from the very bottom to the very top of the mast or just the black carbon fiber part of the mast or something else? Just trying to gauge the similarity of length to my current masts. Thanks!
Piros
Piros
QLD
7311 posts
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18 Oct 2022 5:16pm
For my Cabrhina set ups . My 85cm is 85cm from bottom of the base plate to the end of the carbon , then plus 30mm for the fuse insert which means it measures 85cm from the board to the top of my fuse . So I would call this a true 85cm mast. Overall it measures 88cm from the board to the top of the Ali fuse connection.

My 78cm however measures 77cm from the board to the end of the carbon , so it's actually shorter than what's printed on the mast , I actually don't mind , I wish I got a 75 it's a bit long for my shallow breaks. Overall it measures 80cm from the board to the top of the ali fuse connection.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
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18 Oct 2022 5:35pm



Alysum
Alysum
NSW
1030 posts
NSW, 1030 posts
18 Oct 2022 6:39pm
I keep hearing endless reports of NL masts breaking. Even a local shop here in AU had to get many replaced under warranty.

Even a 60Kg rider managed to break his.

Sounds like NL needs to go back to the drawing board. Stop jumping onto the koolaid
Piros
Piros
QLD
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18 Oct 2022 6:22pm
I have flogged my 78 & 85 to death and had some pretty heavy duty bottom strikes winging on the 85 , both are fine. I'm 90kg ATM . The only issue I had was I left my short mast connected to my Cab fuse for 10 days and got some Galvanic reaction .I pull it off now after every session and all good. Plenty of guys around my local have them , we are all latest batch and zero issues. There would be 100 + hours combined on all these mast and some seriously skilled riders laying the foil over taking it to its limits. Not saying they haven't broken but they seem to have fixed the problem .
ANfoiler
ANfoiler
VIC
13 posts
VIC, 13 posts
19 Oct 2022 5:05pm
Alysum said..
I keep hearing endless reports of NL masts breaking. Even a local shop here in AU had to get many replaced under warranty.

Even a 60Kg rider managed to break his.

Sounds like NL needs to go back to the drawing board. Stop jumping onto the koolaid


Do any retailers in AUS sell them? I've searched but nothing came up
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
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LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
19 Oct 2022 8:32pm
Piros said..
I have flogged my 78 & 85 to death and had some pretty heavy duty bottom strikes winging on the 85 , both are fine. I'm 90kg ATM . The only issue I had was I left my short mast connected to my Cab fuse for 10 days and got some Galvanic reaction .I pull it off now after every session and all good. Plenty of guys around my local have them , we are all latest batch and zero issues. There would be 100 + hours combined on all these mast and some seriously skilled riders laying the foil over taking it to its limits. Not saying they haven't broken but they seem to have fixed the problem .


So, they are pretty stiff? Good for heavier guys?
martyman
martyman
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
23 Oct 2022 10:10am
Alysum said..
I keep hearing endless reports of NL masts breaking. Even a local shop here in AU had to get many replaced under warranty.

Even a 60Kg rider managed to break his.

Sounds like NL needs to go back to the drawing board. Stop jumping onto the koolaid


I've heard of 9 or 10 personally. Pretty hard to see how folks think that's OK.
martyman
martyman
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
23 Oct 2022 10:12am
LouD said..

Piros said..
I have flogged my 78 & 85 to death and had some pretty heavy duty bottom strikes winging on the 85 , both are fine. I'm 90kg ATM . The only issue I had was I left my short mast connected to my Cab fuse for 10 days and got some Galvanic reaction .I pull it off now after every session and all good. Plenty of guys around my local have them , we are all latest batch and zero issues. There would be 100 + hours combined on all these mast and some seriously skilled riders laying the foil over taking it to its limits. Not saying they haven't broken but they seem to have fixed the problem .



So, they are pretty stiff? Good for heavier guys?


No they aren't
I'm 90+Kg and surfing with a big wing(HA) in current was a no go. OK for winging though.
Piros
Piros
QLD
7311 posts
QLD, 7311 posts
23 Oct 2022 7:39pm

Well I'm 90kg ATM and mine are rock solid, this is today in a severe low-pressure wind event . Look at this video the mast is fully loaded and still hanging strong.

TooMuchEpoxy
TooMuchEpoxy
452 posts
452 posts
23 Oct 2022 9:36pm
I think its production issues on some of the masts causing failure. If i had to guess its contamination causing a poor bond.

I got hold of 2 masts that had pulled out and potted one in a lift connection and its been a great upgrade!

On the mast i got ahold of the insert had pulled. NL even was planning for it with a little piece of dyneema in there to catch the insert when it pulls out so the wings aren't lost.

Also on the mast i have most of the the clear coat paint gave loose with barely any effort. The logo area held on tight though, its like they prepped the logo area for paint. applied the logo, then realized they couldn't prep the rest of the mast without ****ing up the logo.
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