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Sunova's new weapon.... RbGar's custom, moves the needle on 12' Surf SUPs

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Created by supthecreek 27 days ago, 22 May 2019
supthecreek
1719 posts
22 May 2019 10:49AM
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RbGar conceived of this custom and I couldn't let it go.
I had to have one, so at my insistence, extras were made, in stock Sunova XXX Balsa Construction.

I hand delivered RbGar's beautiful green tinted custom with all the bells and whistles..... but alas,
he is off delivering an awesome yacht and won't be able to post his up for a while.

He insisted that I post my review, without waiting for his unveiling..... always the classy guy!
He knows buyers are waiting to see my vids before committing. Thanks Johnny, my friend!

the vid says it all..... from my perspective at least.
5 different sessions in 6 days after I got mine... a great test of the boards functionality !

This board is simply amazing!

Ask and I will answer any questions you might have.

&t=2s

DaveSandan
VIC, 803 posts
22 May 2019 4:59PM
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Stop it Supthecreek you are making me want to buy one, I was looking at going smaller than 10ft and now I'm thinking 12ft looks good.
Are the other 12ft Sunova models 32 wide or just this model, weight is really good too?

supthecreek
1719 posts
22 May 2019 9:39PM
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DaveSandan said..
Stop it Supthecreek you are making me want to buy one, I was looking at going smaller than 10ft and now I'm thinking 12ft looks good.
Are the other 12ft Sunova models 32 wide or just this model, weight is really good too?


ha ha.... sorry Dave, I know it's hard to pass up a new board, that strikes your fancy!

The "Point Break" was a one-off custom, designed by RbGar in collaboration with Bert Burger.
I got it into modest production, when the US distributor agreed to order extras, at my request. (cuz I wanted one)

Tino talked with me about the possibilities of a permanent addition to the Sunova line-up.... and possible sizing options.
ha ha.... I believe demand for this board will make that happen, for sure

No matter.... the design is in the CAD at Sunova, so anyone can order one without having any custom charges.

Yes... it is a very good weight for a board of this size. Feels weightless in the water.

The term "Game Changer" is bandied about way too often..... but it is hard for me to see this board any other way.
I have NEVER surfed anything like it.... and I have surfed a LOT of big boards.

To have something this user friendly, that surfs effortlessly in a range of conditions, is a gift.
This will change how I view a lot of conditions from now on!

Permanently a quiver favorite!

Note:
Please use responsibly!
in the wrong hands, this would dominate the peak.






















rockmagnet
QLD, 1181 posts
23 May 2019 9:50AM
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supthecreek said..

DaveSandan said..
Stop it Supthecreek you are making me want to buy one, I was looking at going smaller than 10ft and now I'm thinking 12ft looks good.
Are the other 12ft Sunova models 32 wide or just this model, weight is really good too?



ha ha.... sorry Dave, I know it's hard to pass up a new board, that strikes your fancy!

The "Point Break" was a one-off custom, designed by RbGar in collaboration with Bert Burger.
I got it into modest production, when the US distributor agreed to order extras, at my request. (cuz I wanted one)

Tino talked with me about the possibilities of a permanent addition to the Sunova line-up.... and possible sizing options.
ha ha.... I believe demand for this board will make that happen, for sure

No matter.... the design is in the CAD at Sunova, so anyone can order one without having any custom charges.

Yes... it is a very good weight for a board of this size. Feels weightless in the water.

The term "Game Changer" is bandied about way too often..... but it is hard for me to see this board any other way.
I have NEVER surfed anything like it.... and I have surfed a LOT of big boards.

To have something this user friendly, that surfs effortlessly in a range of conditions, is a gift.
This will change how I view a lot of conditions from now on!

Permanently a quiver favorite!

Note:
Please use responsibly!
in the wrong hands, this would dominate the peak.























HI Mr Creek, just wondering if you have had it out on the flat water and if so how did it go ? Thinking of ordering one but have to overcome strong objections by she who must be obeyed.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1764 posts
23 May 2019 11:36AM
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What's the difference between that and a regular Search?

MangoDingo
NT, 244 posts
23 May 2019 11:53AM
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Indeed - most excellent news STC!
I'm very keen to hear a bit more about the new stick.
I've been keen to get a Search for a while now and was also thinking of the custom with thruster / quad options.
I was also wondering how a 12'er would go with a swallow tail and channels? I'm a massive fan of channels and love the feel and speed and I wonder if you'd squeeze out a bit more juice with channels? Or would they add little to nil value on a 12 foot board?

And - will ordering one be through the usual process for us Ozoids?

Classic bottom turn on the vid too man - ya've still got it Creeky!!!

Cheers!

supthecreek
1719 posts
23 May 2019 10:39AM
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rockmagnet said..

supthecreek said..


DaveSandan said..
Stop it Supthecreek you are making me want to buy one, I was looking at going smaller than 10ft and now I'm thinking 12ft looks good.
Are the other 12ft Sunova models 32 wide or just this model, weight is really good too?




ha ha.... sorry Dave, I know it's hard to pass up a new board, that strikes your fancy!

The "Point Break" was a one-off custom, designed by RbGar in collaboration with Bert Burger.
I got it into modest production, when the US distributor agreed to order extras, at my request. (cuz I wanted one)

Tino talked with me about the possibilities of a permanent addition to the Sunova line-up.... and possible sizing options.
ha ha.... I believe demand for this board will make that happen, for sure

No matter.... the design is in the CAD at Sunova, so anyone can order one without having any custom charges.

Yes... it is a very good weight for a board of this size. Feels weightless in the water.

The term "Game Changer" is bandied about way too often..... but it is hard for me to see this board any other way.
I have NEVER surfed anything like it.... and I have surfed a LOT of big boards.

To have something this user friendly, that surfs effortlessly in a range of conditions, is a gift.
This will change how I view a lot of conditions from now on!

Permanently a quiver favorite!

Note:
Please use responsibly!
in the wrong hands, this would dominate the peak.























HI Mr Creek, just wondering if you have had it out on the flat water and if so how did it go ? Thinking of ordering one but have to overcome strong objections by she who must be obeyed.


Hi Rocky.... I have been so busy surfing it in all these great swells, that I haven't flat-watered it yet.
But it paddled easily on my 1.2 mile trek to that remote pointbreak in the video.

I had Cataract surgery yesterday, so I am off all waters for a while.... but I will get some footage in flat-water..... maybe I'll master my Drone while I'm dry and get some with that when I am wet again!

supthecreek
1719 posts
23 May 2019 10:54AM
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cantSUPenough said..
What's the difference between that and a regular Search?


nothing like the Search except the both are long and have pointy ends.

Point Break was designed from the ground up for maximum surf-ability... not as a multi-tasker
Point Break is wider, which gives more rail curve and hips to make it turn much easier.
Point Break has a rounded Pin Tail
Five fin boxes instead of one
Bert worked his magic on the rocker, fin placement and rail foil.
The nose on the Point Break is fuller

They feel entirely different when paddling.

heres an easy way to compare the two:
compare the Point Break vid above.... to the vid below of the Search.... night and day.
The Search is a slow deliberate pivot turn and the Point Break is a smooth carving machine.
The Search is a blast to surf, but I only take it out on smaller days at soft, peeling or non breaking waves.

supthecreek
1719 posts
23 May 2019 11:03AM
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MangoDingo said..
Indeed - most excellent news STC!
I'm very keen to hear a bit more about the new stick.
I've been keen to get a Search for a while now and was also thinking of the custom with thruster / quad options.
I was also wondering how a 12'er would go with a swallow tail and channels? I'm a massive fan of channels and love the feel and speed and I wonder if you'd squeeze out a bit more juice with channels? Or would they add little to nil value on a 12 foot board?

And - will ordering one be through the usual process for us Ozoids?

Classic bottom turn on the vid too man - ya've still got it Creeky!!!

Cheers!



Hey Dingoman!
Thanks man... my Creekyness appreciates this board!

I feel the rounded pin is perfect and channels would just make a 12' sticky.
It's fast enough with length alone.
and amazingly loose and carvy for a 12'r

This is not an "official " model yet... but since all the design work has been done, all you have to do is order one from your local Sunova Dealer.
It is a "container" item, so it would have to wait for the next shipment to your area.

tarquin1
192 posts
23 May 2019 1:50PM
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Awsome. Keep it up. Once again you are an inspiration. Nice board too.
Pics of the 2( search and point break) boards together would be good. When you are not too busy surfing!!!
I am building a 11x28 at the moment based on the search.

benjl
240 posts
23 May 2019 2:19PM
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Creeky- are you just wearing one shoe? Haha

DaveSandan
VIC, 803 posts
23 May 2019 9:22PM
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MangoDingo said..
Indeed - most excellent news STC!
I'm very keen to hear a bit more about the new stick.
I've been keen to get a Search for a while now and was also thinking of the custom with thruster / quad options.
I was also wondering how a 12'er would go with a swallow tail and channels? I'm a massive fan of channels and love the feel and speed and I wonder if you'd squeeze out a bit more juice with channels? Or would they add little to nil value on a 12 foot board?

And - will ordering one be through the usual process for us Ozoids?

Classic bottom turn on the vid too man - ya've still got it Creeky!!!

Cheers!



If you like channels just get one big one straight up the guts!!


supthecreek
1719 posts
23 May 2019 11:14PM
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benjl said..
Creeky- are you just wearing one shoe? Haha


ha ha.... yup!

I lost one reef shoe in a wipeout, so I was little Johnny one shoe

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1764 posts
24 May 2019 8:49AM
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supthecreek said..

cantSUPenough said..
What's the difference between that and a regular Search?



nothing like the Search except the both are long and have pointy ends.

Point Break was designed from the ground up for maximum surf-ability... not as a multi-tasker
Point Break is wider, which gives more rail curve and hips to make it turn much easier.
Point Break has a rounded Pin Tail
Five fin boxes instead of one
Bert worked his magic on the rocker, fin placement and rail foil.
The nose on the Point Break is fuller

They feel entirely different when paddling.

heres an easy way to compare the two:
compare the Point Break vid above.... to the vid below of the Search.... night and day.
The Search is a slow deliberate pivot turn and the Point Break is a smooth carving machine.
The Search is a blast to surf, but I only take it out on smaller days at soft, peeling or non breaking waves.


Yeah, but other than that, is there any difference between them

My 14' Search is fun for the longer paddle and catching ripples, but surfing it takes a lot of footwork. Originally I was planning to get the 12' Search, but it looks like the point break is better suited for what I had in mind.

Helmy
VIC, 670 posts
24 May 2019 9:13AM
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I've surfed both "The Nozza" (Nozza's epic 12' Search - you all remember the thread...), and also one of his 12' PSH's.
Admittedly both in small surf - nothing like the Gun conditions that the PSH is designed for.
I'm a lot smaller than both STC and CSE - 75 kgs, but my observation was that the PSH was a lot better to surf than the Nozza.
This may have had to do with board shape, fin sizes, but I'm thinking more to do with my size.
The PSH turmed surprisingly well, whereas the Nozza (Search) was more like a battleship on the waves.
It made me nervous surfing it with other people around, because I couldn't guarantee that I would be able to get it out of the way of other riders.

Rick I'd be interested on your take on this comparison, and also whether the Point Break - in it's initial custom configuration - would be suitable for smaller riders. I'm 5'4", 75 kgs and fifty something.

At the moment I surf my SIC 12 6 Bullet if the surf is small, but surfing a touring/downwind board is always problematic unless you have a lot of free space!
(And maybe there's room for another Sunova in the garage...)

supthecreek
1719 posts
24 May 2019 8:38AM
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Helmy said..
I've surfed both "The Nozza" (Nozza's epic 12' Search - you all remember the thread...), and also one of his 12' PSH's.
Admittedly both in small surf - nothing like the Gun conditions that the PSH is designed for.
I'm a lot smaller than both STC and CSE - 75 kgs, but my observation was that the PSH was a lot better to surf than the Nozza.
This may have had to do with board shape, fin sizes, but I'm thinking more to do with my size.
The PSH turmed surprisingly well, whereas the Nozza (Search) was more like a battleship on the waves.
It made me nervous surfing it with other people around, because I couldn't guarantee that I would be able to get it out of the way of other riders.

Rick I'd be interested on your take on this comparison, and also whether the Point Break - in it's initial custom configuration - would be suitable for smaller riders. I'm 5'4", 75 kgs and fifty something.

At the moment I surf my SIC 12 6 Bullet if the surf is small, but surfing a touring/downwind board is always problematic unless you have a lot of free space!
(And maybe there's room for another Sunova in the garage...)






Hi Helmy,

They really are completely different boards.
The Search was designed as a touring/DW board that could also be surfed. A multi tasker.
My very favorite flat-water board.... I love it!

I have always said that surfing the Search was an "acquired skill" because you needed to step to the tail and lift the nose way up and make a pivot turn. The video shows that.
I agree that the Search is not a board to be surfed in a crowd.
One of the things I like about the Search is feeling an old school "Waikiki" style surfing ... not like anything I had ever surfed before.

The Point Break is NOT to be confused with the Search.
It is an entirely different board.
It was designed for maximum surf-ability.
The video shows a board that turns easily and carves like a shorter board.
Watch the first full wave.... notice how the board moves effortlessly under my feet.

My buddy Ryan tried it and ripped on it right away. He is 79 kg.
I am of the school that believes anyone can ride a big board, with proper technique.



Big boards do not run by the same volume rules.
They are big for a reason.
Heck, even with me riding it, the weight to volume ratio is 1.84.... well over recommended volume for a rank beginner.

Big boards have always been ridden amazingly well by small guys.... there are videos everywhere show this..

This board has a design that can be ripped by a 12 year old kid with skills....
or an easy board for a novice to learn on.

It's a big board..... not a short one.
But it feels super light and agile on the water.

Sequence my SoloShot got of Ryan, on my Point Break, as I carried his Laird out to swap with him.

Insert is Ryan on his Laird after we swapped back.... which is heavier than the 12' Point Break





Here are side by side pics of my 14' Search and 12' Point Break
They clearly show that they are totally different boards.

The Point Break was designed for the conditions most of us actually surf.... not for some off shore Bombie
Although I am confident that it will handle some normal size with ease.











I am comfortable surfing the Point Break in a crowd


MangoDingo
NT, 244 posts
24 May 2019 6:03PM
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DaveSandan said..

MangoDingo said..
Indeed - most excellent news STC!
I'm very keen to hear a bit more about the new stick.
I've been keen to get a Search for a while now and was also thinking of the custom with thruster / quad options.
I was also wondering how a 12'er would go with a swallow tail and channels? I'm a massive fan of channels and love the feel and speed and I wonder if you'd squeeze out a bit more juice with channels? Or would they add little to nil value on a 12 foot board?

And - will ordering one be through the usual process for us Ozoids?

Classic bottom turn on the vid too man - ya've still got it Creeky!!!

Cheers!




If you like channels just get one big one straight up the guts!!



Holy Moly Dave - that thing's a beast!
I reckon that's less channel and more storm-water drain!

Nozza
VIC, 2044 posts
24 May 2019 7:42PM
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supthecreek said..





Helmy said..
I've surfed both "The Nozza" (Nozza's epic 12' Search - you all remember the thread...), and also one of his 12' PSH's.
Admittedly both in small surf - nothing like the Gun conditions that the PSH is designed for.
I'm a lot smaller than both STC and CSE - 75 kgs, but my observation was that the PSH was a lot better to surf than the Nozza.
This may have had to do with board shape, fin sizes, but I'm thinking more to do with my size.
The PSH turmed surprisingly well, whereas the Nozza (Search) was more like a battleship on the waves.
It made me nervous surfing it with other people around, because I couldn't guarantee that I would be able to get it out of the way of other riders.

Rick I'd be interested on your take on this comparison, and also whether the Point Break - in it's initial custom configuration - would be suitable for smaller riders. I'm 5'4", 75 kgs and fifty something.

At the moment I surf my SIC 12 6 Bullet if the surf is small, but surfing a touring/downwind board is always problematic unless you have a lot of free space!
(And maybe there's room for another Sunova in the garage...)








Hi Helmy,

They really are completely different boards.
The Search was designed as a touring/DW board that could also be surfed. A multi tasker.
My very favorite flat-water board.... I love it!

I have always said that surfing the Search was an "acquired skill" because you needed to step to the tail and lift the nose way up and make a pivot turn. The video shows that.
I agree that the Search is not a board to be surfed in a crowd.
One of the things I like about the Search is feeling an old school "Waikiki" style surfing ... not like anything I had ever surfed before.

The Point Break is NOT to be confused with the Search.
It is an entirely different board.
It was designed for maximum surf-ability.
The video shows a board that turns easily and carves like a shorter board.
Watch the first full wave.... notice how the board moves effortlessly under my feet.

My buddy Ryan tried it and ripped on it right away. He is 79 kg.
I am of the school that believes anyone can ride a big board, with proper technique.



Big boards do not run by the same volume rules.
They are big for a reason.
Heck, even with me riding it, the weight to volume ratio is 1.84.... well over recommended volume for a rank beginner.

Big boards have always been ridden amazingly well by small guys.... there are videos everywhere show this..

This board has a design that can be ripped by a 12 year old kid with skills....
or an easy board for a novice to learn on.

It's a big board..... not a short one.
But it feels super light and agile on the water.

Sequence my SoloShot got of Ryan, on my Point Break, as I carried his Laird out to swap with him.

Insert is Ryan on his Laird after we swapped back.... which is heavier than the 12' Point Break





Here are side by side pics of my 14' Search and 12' Point Break
They clearly show that they are totally different boards.

The Point Break was designed for the conditions most of us actually surf.... not for some off shore Bombie
Although I am confident that it will handle some normal size with ease.











I am comfortable surfing the Point Break in a crowd



So now I need another board.......

supthecreek
1719 posts
24 May 2019 6:54PM
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Nooza said:
"so now I need another board......"


Yes!

bobajob
QLD, 1312 posts
25 May 2019 4:37PM
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@ 3.36 "Its gonna turn a lot of non-days into days" Classic!

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1764 posts
26 May 2019 4:57PM
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It amazing that they could fit a 12' board into such a small package!




supthecreek
1719 posts
27 May 2019 6:11PM
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cantSUPenough said..
It amazing that they could fit a 12' board into such a small package!





Holy Moly.... no wonder it surfs so well




In this one, the Point Break looks longer






wow.... they have Creek emoji







MangoDingo
NT, 244 posts
27 May 2019 8:44PM
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Classic!!!
It's Captain Creekbeard the Pirate!!!

Bighugg
NT, 182 posts
29 May 2019 1:03AM
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Wow..... yet again amazing SUP evolution .... think it... dream it ... surf it

Ads01
QLD, 17 posts
30 May 2019 7:54AM
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cantSUPenough said..
It amazing that they could fit a 12' board into such a small package!




Does the 12ft have the same nose and tail rocker as the 14ft?

supthecreek
1719 posts
30 May 2019 6:20AM
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Ads01

no, this board designed completely from scratch, to be surf specific.
They are not the same shape at all.
To me, the 14' Search actually looks to have more rocker than the Point Break.

Baysup
NSW, 29 posts
30 May 2019 6:07PM
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Hi STC
Thanks for your reviews on the Point Break
I have been looking at 12 footers, following Nozza's posts,thinking about the Search.
Long story short, I've just paid Andrew (AA) Balmoral Paddlesurf for my Point Break.
Due in Sydney on the next container late July.
Happy just knowing it's on its way

supthecreek
1719 posts
30 May 2019 6:01PM
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Baysup said..
Hi STC
Thanks for your reviews on the Point Break
I have been looking at 12 footers, following Nozza's posts,thinking about the Search.
Long story short, I've just paid Andrew (AA) Balmoral Paddlesurf for my Point Break.
Due in Sydney on the next container late July.
Happy just knowing it's on its way


and so it starts.......Point Break is going to OZ!

Please use responsibly

Gboots
NSW, 673 posts
30 May 2019 8:15PM
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Helmy
VIC, 670 posts
30 May 2019 9:42PM
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supthecreek said..

Baysup said..
Hi STC
Thanks for your reviews on the Point Break
I have been looking at 12 footers, following Nozza's posts,thinking about the Search.
Long story short, I've just paid Andrew (AA) Balmoral Paddlesurf for my Point Break.
Due in Sydney on the next container late July.
Happy just knowing it's on its way



and so it starts.......Point Break is going to OZ!

Please use responsibly


Due in next container late July...can't complain about that!

RbGar
45 posts
31 May 2019 12:42AM
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Just got home and wow she looks great, I'm sure she'll ride as good as it looks!!!!!











Special thanks to Creek for all his help and knowledge in helping me create the Point Break!



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