BSC vs Skins - any recommendations ?

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Chasing Bumps
Chasing Bumps
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7 Jul 2013 8:32pm
Any recommendations on BSC vs Skins for paddling? Never tried the tights thing but it's getting a bit cold and wondering if there's much difference?
surf4fun
surf4fun
WA
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7 Jul 2013 6:36pm
Six to one, half a dozen to the other. They all kind of get lumped together as 'skins' as the generic name a bit like iPod is an MP3 player. They do have differences but I don't think they are massively noticeable. I personally wear Under Armour.
Kieranr
Kieranr
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7 Jul 2013 8:46pm
Also worth a look are Vaikobi. I have their short sleeve thermal top and its awesome. Great warmth when needed and plenty of ventilation when you heat up. The bottom of the top is a bit looser than a rashie so it doesn't ride up your back when you paddle. Give the online shop a look. Their gear is also sold out of a lot of surf ski/kayak shops around Sydney.
PTWoody
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VIC
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7 Jul 2013 8:56pm
2xU FTW
Tractorguy
Tractorguy
TAS
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7 Jul 2013 9:04pm
If your talking bout compression gear, Yeh 2xu stuff is good
or go to Big w and buy slazenger , youll get it less than half the price of skins brand.
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
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7 Jul 2013 9:27pm
Really depends on personal preference, I've only tried BSc, Skins and 2XU (so can't comment on any other options).

From my experience, the material used for the BodyScience compression gear is generally thicker than both Skins and 2XU. I've found this makes them a little bit warmer, but also less breathable than the other two. They also feel like they have a little less give in the material, which could be an advantage or not (again depending on your preference).

2XU probably sits in the middle of the Skins brand and BSc in respect to thickness and give, and the material is really soft and comfy. I also find the material breathes better than BSc.

Skins are the thinnest/stretchiest material, but also breathe really well if you are someone who overheats easily even in cooler weather. (But they also tend to cost the most $$$).

I personally like the firmer fit and slightly more restrictive fit of the BodyScience tights for recovery, but find the 2XU tights great to paddle in. But on the colder mornings sometimes the BSc have the edge.

With the long sleeve tops, I personally found the BSc top too thick and found myself feeling like I was overheating, it also felt more restrictive to movement for paddling as the fabric had less give. But i like it for recovery.

The 2XU material feels great, breathes well, and doesn't feel as restrictive as the BSc one, but unlike both the BSc and Skins tops, it doesn't have elastic around the waistline, which prevents the other two from riding up whilst paddling. If that's not an issue for you then its a great product.

The Skins top is great, for me the thinner more breathable material is a personal preference (I tend to warm up pretty quickly if I'm paddling without getting in the water and like that it breathes better, but some of you further south may prefer a warmer option). The shape of the top is longer in the torso than the other two, and combined with the elastic (or some kind of silicon bead or something) around the bottom hem, I find it stays in place a lot better whilst paddling. I also find both the Skins and 2XU tops good options for longer downwind paddles even in Summer. If I get them wet at the start of the paddle, they help to cool you down and also offer sun protection for fair skin like mine - the BSc top just gets too hot in summer.
tikipurple
tikipurple
SA
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8 Jul 2013 10:10am
I use both. Body science full length tights for the cold mornings. Skins shorts for summer mornings.. Body science is a thicker material and more supportive. The skins shorts are a thinner material, but breath easier. Just depends on the day. They both work.
The Body science compression top is warm, but even in 14 degrees I dont' seem to need it.
I use a loose fit top made by Victory Koredry. They are water resistant, breath, and 50+uvp. They make a whole range of long sleeve, short sleeve, sleeveless tops , and hoodies.
Check them out.:www.victorykoredry.com/index.html
PB
PTWoody
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8 Jul 2013 11:01am
With respect, some of the comparisons in this thread on thickness of materials is perhaps just a little out of date. Skins has recently released a new product called "Power Shorts" and the fabric is certainly thicker than their standard shorts. 2xU has a thermal tights product that is thicker and better suited to cold temperatures than anything else I've seen in genuine compression gear (so excluding neoprene-like kayak pants).
62mac
62mac
WA
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8 Jul 2013 9:45am
As long as your wearing boardies over them all is good
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
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8 Jul 2013 11:51am
XCel also do compression and thermal compression, I was going to give them a try next. I found the Skins a bit thin for normal winter and among other things the waist elastic doesn't seem to tolerate repeated salt water immersion. Over a few years I've used Skins, 2XU and Body Armour and would probably rate the body armour slightly over the other 2 for compression with comfort but they're not especially warm.

Look here for Xcel marked down:

www.velogear.com.au/

(I'm not affiliated with velogear, other than as an occasional customer)

ghost4man
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408 posts
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8 Jul 2013 10:35am
Hi guys,

Could someone clarify just how good the above brand names deal with extended use in the saltwater. I am giving consideration to utilising the compression outfit but my concern is in their longevity particularly with the summer heat and salt.

Cheers for any input.

Ozzie
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
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8 Jul 2013 12:49pm
The three brands I've tried have all held up well with repeated use in saltwater - I just wash them like any other clothes and through the dryer when weather is no good for drying on the line (on the warm not the hot setting). No problems with any of them (except the printed logo's tend to wear off a bit faster when you use the dryer).

As PTWoody pointed out - my comments are based on the materials for these brands all purchased 1-4 years ago, so I haven't had experience with some of their newer materials.
micksmith
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8 Jul 2013 12:52pm
9 out of 10 Dentists recommend colgate the tenth doesn't have shares in the company
HumanCartoon
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8 Jul 2013 12:58pm
ghost4man said..



Could someone clarify just how good the above brand names deal with extended use in the saltwater. I am giving consideration to utilising the compression outfit but my concern is in their longevity particularly with the summer heat and salt.


Ozzie


Skins I've used haven't tolerated salt very well - it's more to do with the elastic waistbands and some of stitching failing than the fabric itself. I wash/rinse mine after use but I do tend to fall in a lot.
ghost4man
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8 Jul 2013 11:02am
HumanCartoon said..
ghost4man said.. Could someone clarify just how good the above brand names deal with extended use in the saltwater. I am giving consideration to utilising the compression outfit but my concern is in their longevity particularly with the summer heat and salt. Ozzie
As noted above, Skins I've used haven't tolerated salt very well but it's more to do with the elastic waistbands and some of stitching failing than the fabric itself. I wash/rinse mine after use but I do tend to fall in a lot.


Hi,

Thank you for that. Look that is my concern and as a stand up paddler we all have days where you seem to spend more time in the water than on top so ideally any type of compression clothing has to be able to deal with the salt water. I am just about to make calls to BSc, Skins, 2XU and Xcel and get an idea as to what the individual companies have to say about their product.

Cheers Ozzie
PTWoody
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8 Jul 2013 1:13pm
I'd be very interested to hear the response of your calls Ozzie. 2xU is interesting in this regard because they are very big into triathlon and yet they don't really market their compression gear for the swim leg, just running and cycling. They have some triathlon specific wetsuits for the swimming, but they don't even mention compression wear in the swimming section of their website.

On the topic of salt water effects on compression gear, I bought a couple of pairs of Oakley compression shorts that they sell with their high-end board shorts in the assumption that these would be the most robust compression product for salt water. One pair fell apart after a couple of times in the water.
Kieranr
Kieranr
NSW
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8 Jul 2013 1:57pm
The vaikobi gear is Aussie designed specifically for saltwater use in surkskis, kayaks and now SUP.
NNSUP
NNSUP
NSW
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8 Jul 2013 5:15pm
PTWoody said..

I'd be very interested to hear the response of your calls Ozzie. 2xU is interesting in this regard because they are very big into triathlon and yet they don't really market their compression gear for the swim leg, just running and cycling. They have some triathlon specific wetsuits for the swimming, but they don't even mention compression wear in the swimming section of their website.

On the topic of salt water effects on compression gear, I bought a couple of pairs of Oakley compression shorts that they sell with their high-end board shorts in the assumption that these would be the most robust compression product for salt water. One pair fell apart after a couple of times in the water.



PT Woody is a bit of an expert when it comes to tights I believe. He's to wearing tights like DJ is to producing down wind videos. I haven't seen a photo of him without tights for over 2 years. Unfortunately he insists on wearing them without boardshorts.

I know all of the NSW guys listen to his advice when it comes to tights.
ghost4man
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8 Jul 2013 3:46pm
NNSUP said..
PTWoody said.. I'd be very interested to hear the response of your calls Ozzie. 2xU is interesting in this regard because they are very big into triathlon and yet they don't really market their compression gear for the swim leg, just running and cycling. They have some triathlon specific wetsuits for the swimming, but they don't even mention compression wear in the swimming section of their website. On the topic of salt water effects on compression gear, I bought a couple of pairs of Oakley compression shorts that they sell with their high-end board shorts in the assumption that these would be the most robust compression product for salt water. One pair fell apart after a couple of times in the water.
PT Woody is a bit of an expert when it comes to tights I believe. He's to wearing tights like DJ is to producing down wind videos. I haven't seen a photo of him without tights for over 2 years. Unfortunately he insists on wearing them without boardshorts. I know all of the NSW guys listen to his advice when it comes to tights.


Hi Guys,

Okay I rang up SKINS and then spent 15 minutes on the line playing the waiting game so decided to hang up after I got absolutely nowhere so I cant at this stage make a comment.

2XU were absolutely useless! I rang 5 different stores to get information in relation to their product with 4 responses being that they did not know if it could be used in water at all whilst the last response was that it could "maybe" used in water but underneath a wetsuit perhaps. I will leave it up to your imagination as to what you make of that.

I finally spoke to a representative from BSC, that is www.bodyscience.com.au and they assured me that their compression tops could be used in the ocean with the caveat that it be washed under water following use. They recommended the compression T Top which came in a long sleeve and short sleeve version.

Going off the above information the only conclusion that I can make is to go for BSC.

Hope that helps guys.

Ozzie
surfer56
surfer56
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8 Jul 2013 7:45pm
Love my Sharkskin paddle pants they keep me warm and toasty even on the coldest day
www.sharkskin.com.au
NeilInOz
NeilInOz
ACT
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8 Jul 2013 11:25pm
HumanCartoon said..


JOYRIDER said..

try this....

http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html

beats both hands down.



"..Cutting edge bioceramic material that has been infused with the use of nanotechnology..."

crikey...does it paddle for you?


I'm going to buy one just on the basis of awesome marketing!
Leroy13
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VIC
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9 Jul 2013 5:32am
Hi I use Skins power shorts under a wet suit when surfing to support my hip. They seem to work well. On flat water I use shorts and a long sleeve Columbia lycra Titanium/skins type thing or just a thick shirt. If you're falling in all the time wear a wetsuit! ! That's what they're for. If you're flat water paddling then something breathable, warm and comfy (pajamas? ) comes to mind. After school in summer I wear what I had on at school+ water shoes. Try sierra trading on line. Great deals on all sorts of that stuff. They do koredry now I think. Just stick to what you want or you'll end up with runners, wetsuits and lycra stuff. Eastbay is even worse!! They have all that stuff super cheap. The trick is to get as much stuff as fills the smallest box. Two pair of Nike runners three sports tees and running shorts cost around $200. 00. The runners alone would have cost $120.00 in oz. Tip sign up to PayPal. Totally secure quick and simple. Second tip.......Don't fall in!!!!! ! LOL
JOYRIDER
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9 Jul 2013 7:06am
HumanCartoon said..

JOYRIDER said..

try this....

http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html

beats both hands down.


"..Cutting edge bioceramic material that has been infused with the use of nanotechnology..."

crikey...does it paddle for you?


No, but the back support system helps with fatigue.
Especially in winter i've really noticed the difference.
PTWoody
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9 Jul 2013 10:48am
HumanCartoon said..


"..Cutting edge bioceramic material that has been infused with the use of nanotechnology..."






That sounds a lot like the **** *Essendon and Cronulla players have been injecting.
ghost4man
ghost4man
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9 Jul 2013 9:26am
JOYRIDER said..
try this.... http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html beats both hands down.


Hi,

I just want to add my response to some of the above. Its fairly indicative of modern advertising to employ catch phrases which sound legitimate enough but provide no actual research to support their claims. So whilst it may sound good to commence the sentence with terminology like "cutting edge bioceramic technology" we dont get, unless I missed it in the fine print, there does not appear to be any references to exhaustive peer reviewed testing to substantiate some of their colorful claims.

I personally like to utilise that as well as recommendations from people who have used the product.

One thing which I did find useful which I want to share with you is the following. Along my travels yesterday I found out that the real benefit to
using compression clothing comes from not only using during exercise but as well as using it during the recovery phase. This means that a lot of the top sportspeople will sleep in the tops/bottoms as well to assist in muscular regeneration. Intuitively this seems to be correct.

Cheers Ozzie
JOYRIDER
JOYRIDER
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9 Jul 2013 5:50pm
ghost4man said..

JOYRIDER said..
try this.... http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html beats both hands down.



I personally like to utilise that as well as recommendations from people who have used the product.

Cheers Ozzie


such as I??
ghost4man said..

JOYRIDER said..
try this.... http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html beats both hands down.



I personally like to utilise that as well as recommendations from people who have used the product.


Cheers Ozzie


such as i??
ghost4man
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10 Jul 2013 1:17pm
JOYRIDER said..
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<DIV class=QuoteBox sizcache0611190274275061="1.0.10" sizset="false">JOYRIDER said.. try this.... http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html beats both hands down.
I personally like to utilise that as well as recommendations from people who have used the product. Cheers Ozzie
such as I??

<DIV class=QuoteBox sizcache0611190274275061="1.0.11" sizset="false">ghost4man said..

<DIV class=QuoteBox sizcache0611190274275061="1.0.11" sizset="false">JOYRIDER said.. try this.... http://virusintl.com/shop/men/series/aquatic-series/aquatic-compression-form-long-sleeve-top.html beats both hands down.
I personally like to utilise that as well as recommendations from people who have used the product. Cheers Ozzie
such as i??


Joyrider,

As I will too:)....Am in the process of ordering upon the basis of your recommendation so there you go:)

Ozzie
Surfallday
Surfallday
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12 Jul 2013 11:25am
There is much more durability and research behind BSc:

-The garment encloses each region like a muscle sheath. This strengthens and supports the targeted muscle groups, reducing muscular micro-tears caused by muscle vibration during sporting activities. This delays the onset of muscle soreness (DOMS) and improves recovery times.
-Sorbtek ? research has also proven that the moisture management qualities of the Body Science Compression fabric keeps wearers drier, and regulates their core temperature both during and after exercise. This means Bsc Compression keeps athletes cool when it?s hot and less chilled when it is cold.
-The ?Catch, Move, Release? system - moves moisture faster and further than any other yarn. Bsc Compression instantly ?catches? moisture from the skin, ?move? it to the outer layer of the garment and ?release? it to the air. X-static ?, silver fibre in the groin region helps to inhibit the growth of bacteria and fungi. This neutralises odour-causing ammonia and denatured proteins. X- static ? also aids in the reduction of electrostatic discharge.
-Body Science Apparel absorbs moistures faster than the closest competitor keeping the athlete more comfortable during extreme exercise
-Body Science Apparel wicks moistures faster and farther than the closest competitor keeping the athlete more comfortable during extreme exercise
-BSc compression also lasts longer than the leading competitors when used in salt water environments.

I also find that the tight fit of BSc compression garments reduce rashing and skin irritation that is common when subjected to salt water for extended periods of time.
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
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12 Jul 2013 2:06pm
Surfallday said..

There is much more durability and research behind BSc:

-The garment encloses each region like a muscle sheath. This strengthens and supports the targeted muscle groups, reducing muscular micro-tears caused by muscle vibration during sporting activities. This delays the onset of muscle soreness (DOMS) and improves recovery times.
-Sorbtek ? research has also proven that the moisture management qualities of the Body Science Compression fabric keeps wearers drier, and regulates their core temperature both during and after exercise. This means Bsc Compression keeps athletes cool when it?s hot and less chilled when it is cold.
-The ?Catch, Move, Release? system - moves moisture faster and further than any other yarn. Bsc Compression instantly ?catches? moisture from the skin, ?move? it to the outer layer of the garment and ?release? it to the air. X-static ?, silver fibre in the groin region helps to inhibit the growth of bacteria and fungi. This neutralises odour-causing ammonia and denatured proteins. X- static ? also aids in the reduction of electrostatic discharge.
-Body Science Apparel absorbs moistures faster than the closest competitor keeping the athlete more comfortable during extreme exercise
-Body Science Apparel wicks moistures faster and farther than the closest competitor keeping the athlete more comfortable during extreme exercise
-BSc compression also lasts longer than the leading competitors when used in salt water environments.

I also find that the tight fit of BSc compression garments reduce rashing and skin irritation that is common when subjected to salt water for extended periods of time.



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