Bumbag pfd

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waxer
waxer
SA
247 posts
SA, 247 posts
5 Aug 2013 6:45pm
Some advice please on the most suitable brand of waist pfd.I see Ultra make one and so do Marlin.I guess space for muesli bar,car keys etc would be good ,without defeating the quick donning ability.Any other aspects ..
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
5 Aug 2013 8:23pm
A few of us down here wear the Ultra ones on downwinders and in races/events that require PFDs. Mine has a zippered front pocket that could fit couple of muesli bars but I've never used it...I tend to have a camelbak on if I'm doing a long enough run for me to need food. I'm not sure I'd want to put keys in there, it'd be my luck to fall on it and puncture or break something. I doubt that a couple of small items like bars or gels in the pocket would interfere with deploying it.
ShireSUP
ShireSUP
NSW
982 posts
NSW, 982 posts
5 Aug 2013 8:35pm
I too use the Ultra bum bag but find if I am paddling far enough to need a PFD that I need at least water so I wear my camelback or carry a drink bottle.......I tend not to take food, apparently I don't need anymore
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
VIC, 3982 posts
5 Aug 2013 8:54pm
Just replaced my Marlin with an Ultra. The Marlin velcro became weak and if the bag got wet and heavy and full of water, the whole thing would open up and I'd be dragging a deflated PFD from my waste.
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
5 Aug 2013 9:42pm
PTWoody said..

I'd be dragging a deflated PFD from my waste.


You're not supposed to put it up there

Goochi
Goochi
WA
846 posts
WA, 846 posts
5 Aug 2013 8:53pm
HumanCartoon said...
PTWoody said..

I'd be dragging a deflated PFD from my waste.


You're not supposed to put it up there




Priceless, I've still got tears in my eyes
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
QLD
1205 posts
QLD, 1205 posts
5 Aug 2013 11:00pm
I've had a Marlin for a few years, and it hasn't opened on me the couple of occasions I've used it, but I've seen what PTWoody described (assuming he meant the other type of waist ) happen multiple times for others, mostly with new (or near new) jackets. So I probably wouldn't be recommending one, unless they've made some advances in their design.

Haven't tried the Ultra, probably a step up from the Marlin, but from what I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong) they're a similar size to the Marlin and with the waist strap at the top, I'm guessing the bumbag would flap around a bit, just like the Marlin?

There's some much more compact ones available now. The great thing about the smaller ones is that you can wear them at the front (where they're suppose to be worn) without them getting in the way for paddling - it might be more comfortable to wear a waist pfd at the back like a bumbag (have seen it done a lot), but its not the most practical if you actually got in trouble and needed to put it on quickly!

The ones NSW Maritime provided for use at the NSW & Aussie Titles last year were much smaller than the Marlin and you hardly even noticed it was on. Not sure who manufactures them, but would be worth looking into as a better option, if they're available for sale to the public.

There were also a whole swag of options on display at BOP last year, including quite a few designed specifically for SUP. I'm not sure how many (if any) of these have made it to Oz yet.

I was lucky to be given one that was designed for SUP, from a company called MTI. Very compact (less than half the size of my Marlin) and comfortable to wear. The thick waist band is central to the bumbag (rather than at the top, like the Marlin), so it doesn't flap around. The velcro closure is at the top (so the uninflated jacket can't just fall out if the bag fills with water and the velcro comes unstuck). The pull cord is accessible from the side and it is designed so you pull the cord whilst the jacket is still in the bag, and as it inflates, it opens the velcro up for you, then you just slip the inflated vest over your head, and tie it on. Much better the struggling to unfold and put on an uninflated jacket before inflating it. Pretty sure it has a small pocket or phone/keys/gel if you weren't wearing a hydration pack at well.

From memory there were similar offerings from Onyx, Quiksilver, NRS and a bunch of others too. it would definitely be worth seeing if any of them had made it here and approved for Aussie standards yet?
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
5 Aug 2013 11:50pm
There is an easy sollution to the Marlin blow-out problem..

DJ

PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
VIC, 3982 posts
6 Aug 2013 12:04am
DavidJohn said..

There is an easy sollution to the Marlin blow-out problem..

DJ





Yeah I was reduced to that too but I decided it was a bit dangerous to be strapping up a life saving device - it would be very inconvenient to be untying the rope when you're submerged and being swept away.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
6 Aug 2013 12:35pm
''Yeah I was reduced to that too but I decided it was a bit dangerous to be strapping up a life saving device - it would be very inconvenient to be untying the rope when you're submerged and being swept away.''

Yes I agree.. but it depends on if you are wearing it for a genuine concern for your own safety.. or just being worn to obey the water Police regulations..

DJ
Abdillam
Abdillam
VIC
226 posts
VIC, 226 posts
6 Aug 2013 2:03pm
I put a Velcro strap around mine...quickly rips open if needed
faito anto
faito anto
VIC
181 posts
VIC, 181 posts
6 Aug 2013 9:09pm
DJ, you raise a good question about whether the purpose is for safety or for compliance to some regulations, be it government or racing body.

I consider myself a reasonably strong swimmer, I play water polo every week, albeit not at a very high level; nevertheless it keeps me sufficiently swim-fit to be able to safely do other water sports such as SUP.

Then, if I'm wearing a wetsuit, which in Vic is quite often, that gives me some more bouncy too.

Then there's my waterman backpack - the padded straps provide a little extra bouncy too.

Then there's the fact that I have a quality leg rope tethering me to the board (plenty of volume in the board).

So, is there a situation where I still might need a PFD (other than compliance)?

Well, I could get concussed somehow. In which case, I don't think an inflatable bum-bag PFD would necessarily help me. I'd need a "solid-state" PFD at minimum.

Interested to hear people's thoughts.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
6 Aug 2013 7:22pm
I just wear a regular bum bag. That same one I wear for rollerblading and street SUPing. I mean, you gotta have a place to put your fingerless gloves for when your palms get too sweaty.
waxer
waxer
SA
247 posts
SA, 247 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:35pm
For me an automatic pfd would not be practical ,too many unplanned trips into the briny.It would cost a fortune in rearm kits.In my case the pfd would be for added safety when paddling solo a distance from shore.I thought about a manual inflatable like the yachties often wear,can't really see any reason why that would be impractical.The only reasons I can see for having or wearing a pfd are ,to comply with gov or race regs,or in case you and your board are somehow separated.A medical event or concussion would require automation,not practical in my case.
I guess the real answer is don't paddle offshore solo.Thanks for the advice etc on the bumbag pfds.I may need to move to Vic.
Goochi
Goochi
WA
846 posts
WA, 846 posts
6 Aug 2013 9:32pm
Surfing Australia and AuSUP have recommended a minimum safety standard of PFD Type 1 (including inflatables),2, or 3 for all their offshore racing events. This complies with Marine Safety in WA, Vic and Qld. Inflatable type 1 PFDs are considered a PFD type 1, PFD type 1 are the gold standard for PFDs and as such are accepted in NSW and SA as well (I'm not sure if they accept PFD type 2 and 3 outside a racing event offshore).

The main issue is cost, you don't want to have to buy different safety gear for different events around the country, which is why it was standardised. You get to chose - PFD type 1 (including inflatables),2 or 3.

PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
6 Aug 2013 10:40pm
We're discussing the PFD requirement in South Africa right now and after having visited Hawaii where no-one hardly even wears a leg-rope, I'd prefer not having to wear one at all.

I you have a decent legrope then you are effectively attached to 200 liters+ of buoyancy - do we really need more? Yes, the legrope can break - but so can the buckle holding the bum-bag, so I'd rate them equally safe/un-safe.



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