Can you have one SUP paddle for waves and BOP

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JonesySUP
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9 Nov 2010 3:33pm
can you have one SUP paddle for waves and BOP racing? and blade size?
Simondo
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9 Nov 2010 5:36pm
Yes...

But when you get right into it, you'll most likely have a different paddle for each. Typically a slightly longer shaft for Flat Water (to start with).

I'm about to head off for a paddle. If you search some of those key words here, you'll find another discussion thread on the topic....

Here's a thread... but there are more threads, more discussions...
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Various-Paddle-Blade-Sizes-And-Speed/?SearchTerms=flat,water,paddle

Dave Kalama also discusses paddle technique.... on his website.
laceys lane
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9 Nov 2010 5:52pm
JonesySUP said...

can you have one SUP paddle for waves and BOP racing? and blade size?

no

paul.j
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9 Nov 2010 5:58pm
yes
BOP style racing you can get away with shorter paddles.

It still wont be as short as you would want your surf paddle but you could get away withit.

Jacko
laceys lane
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9 Nov 2010 6:02pm
paul.j said...

yes
BOP style racing you can get away with shorter paddles.

It still wont be as short as you would want your surf paddle but you could get away withit.

Jacko


if you are half serious- no
Piros
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9 Nov 2010 6:19pm
I say yes for BOP but no for Downwind , that's where you need a longer paddle.

What's your theory on that one Lacey ?
paul.j
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9 Nov 2010 6:30pm
There are a lot of people doing bop racing with shorter paddles as they are faster of the start and easier going in and out through the waves. If you look at some of the video of the BOP races there are some people holding there paddle down on the shaft with there top hand. I have not tryed a shorter paddle yet but I will give it a go one day.
DavidJohn
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9 Nov 2010 7:43pm
Piros said...

I say yes for BOP but no for Downwind , that's where you need a longer paddle.

What's your theory on that one Lacey ?


I agree.

DJ
JonesySUP
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9 Nov 2010 6:44pm
Cheers all, I'm a short boarder, turned long boarder, turned SUPa, how loving my 12'6" BOPa!
laceys lane
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9 Nov 2010 6:50pm
Piros said...

I say yes for BOP but no for Downwind , that's where you need a longer paddle.

What's your theory on that one Lacey ?


normal lengh surf about head- 6". that's so when you spread your legs in a surf stance, the short surf paddle is all of a sudden is the right lenght. absolutely useless to paddle with in a normal stance not catching a wave. now add a way thicker bop board. all of a sudden the paddle is just above your head. now on the bop board, put your bottom hand down the shaft the normal width apart- you will be bent over reaching for it(the water) or you will have your hands 1 foot apart which is useless too. if you did the whole bop race in a surfer stance it might help, but you still have the extra thickness of the board to contend with. the reverse applies to a longer bop paddle to surf with- it's going to hinder you catching waves. a trade off lenght is exactly that- a trade off meaning not really good at either

if you are serious enough to do a bop race, just get the right paddle.
cheers
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laceys lane
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9 Nov 2010 6:55pm
paul.j said...

There are a lot of people doing bop racing with shorter paddles as they are faster of the start and easier going in and out through the waves. If you look at some of the video of the BOP races there are some people holding there paddle down on the shaft with there top hand. I have not tryed a shorter paddle yet but I will give it a go one day.


how about sunday
laceys lane
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9 Nov 2010 7:01pm
didn't train this morning, but was waiting to try a board. somebody in the group left a 11'atx and paddle on the beach. i'll just have a little paddle, jumped on the board, set my hands apart and tried to put the paddle in the water and nearly fell off. i couldn't reach the water. resorted to air swings
paul.j
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9 Nov 2010 7:30pm
Part of BOP is usally paddling into the wind and if you look at the way everyone paddles in these events it's mostly bent right over just part of his kind of racing. Yes if you could have two paddle you would but the question was could you ues one for both and the answer is yes
Piros
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9 Nov 2010 7:33pm
laceys lane said...

Piros said...

I say yes for BOP but no for Downwind , that's where you need a longer paddle.

What's your theory on that one Lacey ?


normal lengh surf about head- 6". that's so when you spread your legs in a surf stance, the short surf paddle is all of a sudden is the right lenght. absolutely useless to paddle with in a normal stance not catching a wave. now add a way thicker bop board. all of a sudden the paddle is just above your head. now on the bop board, put your bottom hand down the shaft the normal width apart- you will be bent over reaching for it(the water) or you will have your hands 1 foot apart which is useless too. if you did the whole bop race in a surfer stance it might help, but you still have the extra thickness of the board to contend with. the reverse applies to a longer bop paddle to surf with- it's going to hinder you catching waves. a trade off lenght is exactly that- a trade off meaning not really good at either

if you are serious enough to do a bop race, just get the right paddle.
cheers
ps disc no ties with any paddle companies


So what are saying +6" for surfing + 10" BOP & Downwind ? understand your point BUT still don't agree though , I'm quiet comfortable with my surfing blade on a 12-6 especially playing in the surf which is what the BOP is. and with the predicted N.E soup for this weekends race at the Kirra , I reckon Jacko's right you will see people grabbing below the T piece on 10"+ paddles.

laceys lane
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9 Nov 2010 8:07pm
Piros said...

laceys lane said...

Piros said...

I say yes for BOP but no for Downwind , that's where you need a longer paddle.

What's your theory on that one Lacey ?


normal lengh surf about head- 6". that's so when you spread your legs in a surf stance, the short surf paddle is all of a sudden is the right lenght. absolutely useless to paddle with in a normal stance not catching a wave. now add a way thicker bop board. all of a sudden the paddle is just above your head. now on the bop board, put your bottom hand down the shaft the normal width apart- you will be bent over reaching for it(the water) or you will have your hands 1 foot apart which is useless too. if you did the whole bop race in a surfer stance it might help, but you still have the extra thickness of the board to contend with. the reverse applies to a longer bop paddle to surf with- it's going to hinder you catching waves. a trade off lenght is exactly that- a trade off meaning not really good at either

if you are serious enough to do a bop race, just get the right paddle.
cheers
ps disc no ties with any paddle companies


So what are saying +6" for surfing + 10" BOP & Downwind ? understand your point BUT still don't agree though , I'm quiet comfortable with my surfing blade on a 12-6 especially playing in the surf which is what the BOP is. and with the predicted N.E soup for this weekends race at the Kirra , I reckon Jacko's right you will see people grabbing below the T piece on 10"+ paddles.




i do a lot of ins and outs and surf 12'6's, i think 10' above is fine. dw ing i would go 13'. one time i tried a 10" er on my 8'6 to surf with. fantastic to paddle with and use for stability, but catching waves was a nightmare- my arms weren't long enough

most of the good paddlers seem to be having their hands further apart then usual, so when they pulled down and back their bottom hand is down at there knee's thus giving the appearance they are using shorter paddles. i'm using a marker tape at the moment to keep my hands further apart

i know for a fact when kelly saw the qb chap at the bop, he came away with longer paddles than the one he was using- kelly said he wanted to stay straighter( very interesting stuff kelly was telling us about from his meeting with the head qb chief)

he knows a lot more about paddling than most and that's good enough for me
i think some of you guys think this paddle and paddling stuff is my home spun theories, but most of this stuff comes direct from the best
cheers
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