Carbon boards - how durable are they?

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JustCruising
JustCruising
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27 Jan 2013 4:14am
Hi guys

I have seen many posts on the breeze and zone about how carbon boards more fragile than AST/epoxy. I have also seen comments about Starboard and Fanatic carbon boards being "rock solid".

I would love to know exactly how resistant to dings is carbon. When I watch local sup races I see collisions, boards jumped off and tumble into shore or dropped on the beach as they run to the finish. Hardly cotton wool stuff yet people still talk about carbon being fragile. This gives me the impression carbon can take some abuse but comments about durablity relate to the rigours of racing.

I guess my question is will a carbon board give me a few good years of service without falling apart? I look after my stuff and probably won't be racing but the facts of life mean it will take everyday knocks when loading and unloading.

Comments from Fanatic and Starboard owners most appreciated.

In one of my finer SUP moments I face planted on my board the other day as I launched off a crowded beach. Face first, paddle crashing on the deck I shot off the front like I was doing my best superman impression I was sure I would have damaged the deck but the good old Naish never had a scratch!







laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
27 Jan 2013 7:38am
carbon is strong, but not good with impact resistance. carbon starby surf boards look strong thou. but on the other hand a race board i dinged the deck with the paddle a couple of times which i can't recall ever doing before

i would say the starby surfs have a pvc wrap!!!!.

the race boards have pvc wrap in standing places etc.


if your looking for high durability i don't think the carbon boards are for you
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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27 Jan 2013 8:40am
JustCruising said...

Hi guys

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I guess my question is will a carbon board give me a few good years of service without falling apart? I look after my stuff and probably won't be racing but the facts of life mean it will take everyday knocks when loading and unloading.




Look after it and you should get far more than a few good years.. IMO.. It should last as long as any other board.. Dings are a funny thing because the other day before a downwinder I saw PT's new carbon AllStar board flip across the footpath and into the bluestone wall when I huge truck flew past causing an unexpected wind.. No damage at all.. and seconds later Paul's new Ace flipped over on the soft sand in a wind gust and landed on a pointy shell that was sticking up and it had to be pulled out of the egg shell thin bottom of his Ace.. We put some ding tape on it so he could paddle it.. Boards have areas where there is only one thin layer of carbon and other areas where there might be two or three layers.. (sme on glass and AST boards).. depending on the stress or loads in that area.. So I guess what I'm trying to say is wether you get a ding or not if more about luck or being unlucky rather than because a board is durable or not. I have many friends with carbon Starboards/Fanatics and I've not heard one complain about their boards not being durable.

DJ

aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
27 Jan 2013 9:04am
Not quite exactly what you are after, but might be of some interest...

ozwindrider.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/carbon-or-wood/

That is more about windsurf boards, but interesting that so many of the pro's in that sport are now opting for wood construction over carbon.

I have gone away from carbon boards in the last 12 months, in saying that I don't race or have a big board. I am SUP surfing only. I have found I just like the feel of non-carbon a little more. From my windsurfing the non-carbon build feels nicer on the water, not as harsh over chop. And I have found them to be more durable.

I guess my take is that unless you are racing and searching for every last second, or surfing and require the lightest board possible, while willing to live with the stiff harsh feel then carbon is probably for you. If not then save a few $$$ and go one of the other constructions available.
MickMc
MickMc
VIC
456 posts
VIC, 456 posts
27 Jan 2013 11:35am
I've had a fanatic prowave carbon for a couple of months now. Given it the odd wack with the paddle and so far not a mark on it.
adssup
adssup
NSW
60 posts
NSW, 60 posts
27 Jan 2013 12:38pm
I had a Starboard BOP in carbon and never had an issue with it.

I now have a Starboard Coastrunner in carbon and seem to find damage on it every time I paddle it. It's had 3 repairs in about the last 6 weeks. Yet a mate who has the same board has had one minor ding from being hit by another board.

Would I buy another carbon board? Yep
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
27 Jan 2013 1:26pm
Down winding carbon

Circuit racing carbon

Flatwater racing carbon

Surfing Epoxy AST Epoxy

River paddling AST Epoxy

BOP racing Titanium inlay.

CMC
CMC
QLD
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CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
27 Jan 2013 12:47pm
The original post is pretty bang on.

Carbon is more fragile than AST in our general application of it. It is also much lighter.

Here's the tricky part. What you are comparing is strength to weight ratio's of each.

Let's say perhaps that were happy for your 14' board to be 14-15kg the same weight as AST but production cost was no concern.

If you were to keep all things constant like foam weight etc and used enough carbon on the board to make the 11-12kg carbon board to 14-15kg by laminating enough layers of carbon fibre to make the weight that board would be the strongest board available. Extremely stiff and you could survive lunar landings and re-entry to the earth with it. It would just cost a bomb.

So Carbon is the strongest and lightest material. Its durability on your board is more of a function of it's application in combination with the other materials and the result desired to be achieved.

JustCruising
JustCruising
74 posts
74 posts
27 Jan 2013 3:48pm
Thanks guys

That info is gold, I think I will stick to AST or carbon blends like Hobie or Coreban. It will be better in the long run and I don't need the last 5% of performance.

I have enjoyed looking at what is out on the market but now it's time to demo. I will let you know how it goes.

FlyingKiwi
FlyingKiwi
QLD
218 posts
QLD, 218 posts
27 Jan 2013 9:39pm
JustCruising said...
Thanks guys

That info is gold, I think I will stick to AST or carbon blends like Hobie or Coreban. It will be better in the long run and I don't need the last 5% of performance.

I have enjoyed looking at what is out on the market but now it's time to demo. I will let you know how it goes.




ever ridden a Coreban? really really corky - I had the 9' Fusion, changed a few months ago to a full carbon JP 9'2 and fell in love, super quick board that turns on a dime, sits better in the water too, not as thick in the rails.
JustCruising
JustCruising
74 posts
74 posts
28 Jan 2013 6:39am
FlyingKiwi said...
JustCruising said...
Thanks guys

That info is gold, I think I will stick to AST or carbon blends like Hobie or Coreban. It will be better in the long run and I don't need the last 5% of performance.

I have enjoyed looking at what is out on the market but now it's time to demo. I will let you know how it goes.




ever ridden a Coreban? really really corky - I had the 9' Fusion, changed a few months ago to a full carbon JP 9'2 and fell in love, super quick board that turns on a dime, sits better in the water too, not as thick in the rails.


No I haven't but I have heard that comment before but never quite understood what it means. Does it mean they have too much float and bob around in the swell? I am able to demo the Coreban edge so I will do that. Nothing to lose I reckon.

Next up is a demo with Hobie and then maybe Fanatic Falcon if possible. Problem with Fanatic is that I would now like the HRS construction now but it could be a long wait for it in 14'

Going to talk to the Starboard people at the local Sup races tomorrow night. I have ignored them up till now because I didn't like the look of their boards and the dug out standing area. So many people swear by them I could be shooting myself in the foot if I don't consider them.
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