Cruising speed.

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Belly2
Belly2
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
16 Aug 2013 12:35pm
Hi all,
I have 30 years of Kayak racing and 7 years of racing Outrigger Canoes. Both have a cruising speed of aproximately12 klm per hour on flat lake/river water depending on conditions. A bit faster when racing.
I am looking to get into SUP'S and I have the opportunity to borrow one soon when the weather warms up, and I am just wondering what speed would a 14' mid range SUP do ?.
My second question is what speeds do the best guys do in a race ?.
Belly
Ricey1
Ricey1
QLD
44 posts
QLD, 44 posts
16 Aug 2013 4:05pm
Have a look at the times on this link - this race was approx 6km so will give you an idea of the average speeds.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Creek-to-Creek-Results-and-Wrap-Up-3/?SearchTerms=creek,to,creek,times

PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
16 Aug 2013 3:08pm
Best guys will average 9-10km/h on 14's on flatwater without wind assistance. Downwind they guys can average 15km/h with max speeds around 30km/h - but this is very dependent on conditions.
Air80
Air80
102 posts
102 posts
17 Aug 2013 9:48am
Hi I get 6-6.5 kph on my 12.6 race at about 80% paddling, Flat out paddling 7-8 kph. to give you an idea and ive only been suping for 3 months. cheers Rob
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
17 Aug 2013 12:06pm
If you can find a 14 sup that cruises at 12 , let me now ill be wanting one The top guys would possibly nudge 12 but that would be far from cruising pace!More like flat out sprint pace.
E T
E T
QLD
2286 posts
E T E T
QLD, 2286 posts
17 Aug 2013 6:25pm
Belly2 said..

Hi all,
I have 30 years of Kayak racing and 7 years of racing Outrigger Canoes. Both have a cruising speed of aproximately12 klm per hour on flat lake/river water depending on conditions. A bit faster when racing.
I am looking to get into SUP'S and I have the opportunity to borrow one soon when the weather warms up, and I am just wondering what speed would a 14' mid range SUP do ?.
My second question is what speeds do the best guys do in a race ?.
Belly


Who gives a toss! Go and enjoy yourself and stop thinking about that crap!

ET.
Goochi
Goochi
WA
846 posts
WA, 846 posts
17 Aug 2013 10:59pm
E T said...
Belly2 said..

Hi all,
I have 30 years of Kayak racing and 7 years of racing Outrigger Canoes. Both have a cruising speed of aproximately12 klm per hour on flat lake/river water depending on conditions. A bit faster when racing.
I am looking to get into SUP'S and I have the opportunity to borrow one soon when the weather warms up, and I am just wondering what speed would a 14' mid range SUP do ?.
My second question is what speeds do the best guys do in a race ?.
Belly


Who gives a toss! Go and enjoy yourself and stop thinking about that crap!

ET.


It's a decent question from someone with a racing background and certainly one that deserves a bit more respect for a recent poster to Seabreeze.

Cruising speed for Flatwater at steady state would be around 8-8.5km for a high level paddler. Race pace is 9.5-10kmh. The top paddlers are getting around the time trial course (4.2km) over 10kmh. Jim Terrell recently set the 200m record at the silver blade traveling at approx 12kmh.

If you check out Connor Baxters program that was posted here last year, you'll notice he trains at % of race speed (marathon pace). Pace/speed is a great training tool to build endurance whilst developing speed - seems to work for him!

Might not interest some paddlers, but if you don't relate to the post, maybe don't open it.
colas
colas
5387 posts
5387 posts
18 Aug 2013 1:58am
Belly2, I think you should read this article by Jim Terrel: www.supracer.com/the-death-and-rebirth-of-sup-racing/

He summarizes well how the quest of the fastest speed may not be the best way to develop the sport.

This is not to tell you that YOU should not aim to go as fast as possible on a SUP. The beauty of SUP is that everybody can find his/her own kind of fun with it. This is just to give you a bit of background on why you may find that most SUP equipment is not designed with max speed in mind. (or: "but why my SUP is slower than my kayak?")

Also, this means that if you want to go much faster than production SUPs, I guess a lot of possibilities can be explored with custom equipment ... and a good deal of training.
Belly2
Belly2
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
18 Aug 2013 2:48pm
Thanks everyone for you replies and advice I can now calculate on average how long a session should take me.
I only asked the question ET because that is the way I am wired, every time I go out I am on the clock, either in my Kayak or on my Outrigger Canoe, I time myself to ensure I am not slacking off or developing bad habits in my technique which is the only 2 reasons your time would vary more than 10%. So by knowing the average cruising speed I can calculate what is an acceptable time. Sorry that's just me.
Belly
E T
E T
QLD
2286 posts
E T E T
QLD, 2286 posts
18 Aug 2013 6:22pm
Goochi said..

E T said...
Belly2 said..

Hi all,
I have 30 years of Kayak racing and 7 years of racing Outrigger Canoes. Both have a cruising speed of aproximately12 klm per hour on flat lake/river water depending on conditions. A bit faster when racing.
I am looking to get into SUP'S and I have the opportunity to borrow one soon when the weather warms up, and I am just wondering what speed would a 14' mid range SUP do ?.
My second question is what speeds do the best guys do in a race ?.
Belly


Who gives a toss! Go and enjoy yourself and stop thinking about that crap!

ET.
[/quote

It's a decent question from someone with a racing background and certainly one that deserves a bit more respect for a recent poster to Seabreeze.

Cruising speed for Flatwater at steady state would be around 8-8.5km for a high level paddler. Race pace is 9.5-10kmh. The top paddlers are getting around the time trial course (4.2km) over 10kmh. Jim Terrell recently set the 200m record at the silver blade traveling at approx 12kmh.

If you check out Connor Baxters program that was posted here last year, you'll notice he trains at % of race speed (marathon pace). Pace/speed is a great training tool to build endurance whilst developing speed - seems to work for him!

Might not interest some paddlers, but if you don't relate to the post, maybe don't open it.


Sorry chaps didn't want to upset anybody. I just don't think that SUPping is about beating someone or going faster than someone else or doing airs better than somebody who can't.

So Goochi 425 versus 405 don't see a lot of difference there at all. I also don't get your point about a recent poster not asking a question or raising a point. Is there some hierarchy I am not privy to? I am the kind of person who opens every post. Is that not allowed?

Anyway shan't be silly. I will paddle off into the sunset with a big smile on my face because I am doing something that is wonderfully.
Peace and Love to all!

ET.
Goochi
Goochi
WA
846 posts
WA, 846 posts
19 Aug 2013 2:52pm
E T said..

Goochi said..

E T said...
Belly2 said..

Hi all,
I have 30 years of Kayak racing and 7 years of racing Outrigger Canoes. Both have a cruising speed of aproximately12 klm per hour on flat lake/river water depending on conditions. A bit faster when racing.
I am looking to get into SUP'S and I have the opportunity to borrow one soon when the weather warms up, and I am just wondering what speed would a 14' mid range SUP do ?.
My second question is what speeds do the best guys do in a race ?.
Belly


Who gives a toss! Go and enjoy yourself and stop thinking about that crap!

ET.
[/quote

It's a decent question from someone with a racing background and certainly one that deserves a bit more respect for a recent poster to Seabreeze.

Cruising speed for Flatwater at steady state would be around 8-8.5km for a high level paddler. Race pace is 9.5-10kmh. The top paddlers are getting around the time trial course (4.2km) over 10kmh. Jim Terrell recently set the 200m record at the silver blade traveling at approx 12kmh.

If you check out Connor Baxters program that was posted here last year, you'll notice he trains at % of race speed (marathon pace). Pace/speed is a great training tool to build endurance whilst developing speed - seems to work for him!

Might not interest some paddlers, but if you don't relate to the post, maybe don't open it.


Sorry chaps didn't want to upset anybody. I just don't think that SUPping is about beating someone or going faster than someone else or doing airs better than somebody who can't.

So Goochi 425 versus 405 don't see a lot of difference there at all. I also don't get your point about a recent poster not asking a question or raising a point. Is there some hierarchy I am not privy to? I am the kind of person who opens every post. Is that not allowed?

Anyway shan't be silly. I will paddle off into the sunset with a big smile on my face because I am doing something that is wonderfully.
Peace and Love to all!

ET.



No worries ET

We are all trying to encourage new paddlers into SUP (because we love it and have fun) and many of these paddlers are starting to come from a racing background. Flatwater paddling around Australia is on the increase. Belly (a newer forum poster - nothing to do with how many posts you or I have) asked a good question, which you dismissed as "who gives a toss!". My point was you obviously don't have an interest in "Cruising Speed" as you don't give a toss, so why open the post and comment on it in a negative way?

The great thing about SUP is the variety it offers - surfing, DW, Flatwater - going fast or cruising, so there is something for everyone.

Cheers
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