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Deck pad lifting

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Created by frosty1962 A week ago, 10 Jan 2019
frosty1962
SA, 13 posts
10 Jan 2019 3:04PM
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Infinty B line deck pad lifting what glue to use to stick it back down?

paul.j
QLD, 2727 posts
10 Jan 2019 3:19PM
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Quick grip will be your friend in this case.

colas
2914 posts
10 Jan 2019 3:03PM
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M/S Polymer glues are the best, hands down.See for instance www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/How-to-re-stick-the-deck-pad-on-a-sup?page=1

cbigsup
281 posts
11 Jan 2019 2:10PM
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Waterproof contact cement. Useless info as US brands and Ozzie brands completely different.
The kind that you apply to both surfaces let dry and then stick is the one.

Both of my Infinity's started to do this recently. Thought it was Winter Water. Maybe not.... .

GizzieNZ
3754 posts
15 Jan 2019 11:57AM
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JB Weld if you catching it early and got just a tiny edge getting unruly....heavy duty bonder

cbigsup
281 posts
Sunday , 20 Jan 2019 2:31AM
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Weldwood contact cement. Brush on both surfaces. Wait 10. Boom!



RPG
38 posts
Sunday , 20 Jan 2019 5:20AM
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Wont be buying that brand of board......

DavidJohn
VIC, 16064 posts
Sunday , 20 Jan 2019 9:10AM
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It's odd that modern day boards have this problem but back in the early days of sup it was a common problem.. I had tried a number of things and I had the best success with auto window sealant.

colas
2914 posts
Sunday , 20 Jan 2019 4:08PM
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cbigsup said..
Waterproof contact cement. Useless info as US brands and Ozzie brands completely different.
The kind that you apply to both surfaces let dry and then stick is the one.


I would avoid them. They are solvent-based glues, that use a potent solvent to dissolve the surfaces that they are applied to in order to stick to them. This is why you have to apply them to both surfaces and let them dry. They will thus damage (slightly) the board surface.

Modern glues like the MS Polymers (an evolution of the polyurethane glues like the gorilla glue) are much better, as they are not solvent based, but polymerize via the air humidity. They can be used on wet surfaces, and some variants can even be used to glue under water. Also since you can apply them to only one surface (the pad) you do not need to bother spreading them on the board into the exact position where the pad will sit, and you can also reposition them for some minutes, contact cement does not tolerate any error. Plus they stay flexible...

I used a lot of contact cements decades ago, but it is medieval compared to MS Polymer.

cbigsup
281 posts
Monday , 20 Jan 2019 11:32PM
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I respectfully disagree! Lots on info here in USA testing all of the products. Gorilla came in last OBTW. JB Weld strong like bull, but permanent.

Infinity is looking into a different glue as they had lots of issues. I assumed it was a cold water issue, but it was not.

And yes I am aware of the ones that set under water. Prolly really good for many things, but not for deck pad repairs.

Guess I am medieval! LOL!

micksmith
VIC, 1259 posts
Monday , 21 Jan 2019 6:40AM
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cbigsup said..
I respectfully disagree! Lots on info here in USA testing all of the products. Gorilla came in last OBTW. JB Weld strong like bull, but permanent.

Infinity is looking into a different glue as they had lots of issues. I assumed it was a cold water issue, but it was not.

And yes I am aware of the ones that set under water. Prolly really good for many things, but not for deck pad repairs.

Guess I am medieval! LOL!


I agree with your disagree, used kwik grip many times years ago no probs

micksmith
VIC, 1259 posts
Monday , 21 Jan 2019 6:44AM
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RPG said..
Wont be buying that brand of board......


mate its not the board manufacturer its the deck grip they use, I think they use on a mission. I'm sure now they know about it they'll be on it.

cbigsup
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Monday , 21 Jan 2019 5:39AM
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micksmith said..

RPG said..
Wont be buying that brand of board......



mate its not the board manufacturer its the deck grip they use, I think they use on a mission. I'm sure now they know about it they'll be on it.


Talked to Dave. They know. Making changes.

+1 Mick. OAM is their supplier!

RPG
38 posts
Monday , 21 Jan 2019 7:36AM
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Just for interest sake, how much do these retail for?

micksmith
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Monday , 21 Jan 2019 11:05AM
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RPG said..
Just for interest sake, how much do these retail for?


Not sure, but the boards have had some good reviews, if you go on reviews that is

colas
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Monday , 21 Jan 2019 4:50PM
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micksmith said..
mate its not the board manufacturer its the deck grip they use, I think they use on a mission. I'm sure now they know about it they'll be on it.


It is both the glue used on the deck pad, and the way it is glued (ambient temperature, humidity, and dust).

At least if it comes off easily, it will be easy to replace with a proper pad :-)

cbigsup
281 posts
Monday , 21 Jan 2019 6:15PM
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In Hawaii, and in the US, a custom board will often be delivered "Hull Only" i.e. no pad or fins.

Two Rawsons, three Hobies, and an Angulo were all delivered that way.

FCS dimple, Creatures, Punt Surf, and OAM have all been installed.

The OAM is a great pad. Light with both an arch bar and a tail kick. The peeling in two places was a minor annoyance easily taken care of.

I also suspect that the water temp here in New England tests glues in a unique way.
O to 2 centigrade is probably not something most manufactures of either pads or glues are thinking about.

They ALL lift if you go out a LOT in extreme cold water. A very minor nuisance.

micksmith
VIC, 1259 posts
Monday , 21 Jan 2019 9:17PM
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colas said..

micksmith said..
mate its not the board manufacturer its the deck grip they use, I think they use on a mission. I'm sure now they know about it they'll be on it.



It is both the glue used on the deck pad, and the way it is glued (ambient temperature, humidity, and dust).

At least if it comes off easily, it will be easy to replace with a proper pad :-)


Or it could be OAM are using inferior product and haven't been fully aware until now

colas
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Tuesday , 22 Jan 2019 12:31AM
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micksmith said..

Or it could be OAM are using inferior product and haven't been fully aware until now


I dont think so. I have put an OAM pad on a board and it never unglued.

On the other hand, I have had boards with the same pad with high quality 3M glue installed in the factory, and one was getting unglued and not the others.

Also, with cold water, using boots is harder on the pad as they generally grip more - and stress the pad more - than when barefoot.

micksmith
VIC, 1259 posts
Tuesday , 22 Jan 2019 6:34AM
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colas said..

micksmith said..

Or it could be OAM are using inferior product and haven't been fully aware until now



I dont think so. I have put an OAM pad on a board and it never unglued.

On the other hand, I have had boards with the same pad with high quality 3M glue installed in the factory, and one was getting unglued and not the others.

Also, with cold water, using boots is harder on the pad as they generally grip more - and stress the pad more - than when barefoot.


You haven't recently though have you, I'm saying it may be in recent times ie; this particular batch/style of grip.
And you wouldn't know unless of course you're involved in the company.

colas
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7 hours ago , 23 Jan 2019 5:43PM
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micksmith said..
You haven't recently though have you, I'm saying it may be in recent times ie; this particular batch/style of grip.
And you wouldn't know unless of course you're involved in the company.



Disclaimer: I am a Gong ambassador, so you could say that it is the opposite: I am involved with a competitor to OAM :-)

Seriously, I do not see any pad brand going to an inferior glue, the cost saving would be negligible. Try to buy the cheapest tail pads on the market, their glue is still excellent. Especially since OAM pads are not cheap. Most probably it was badly applied, a lot of things can go wrong and sticking a pad is typically something you tend to leave to juniors or trainees.

frosty1962, do you know if your pad was put in a cold, rainy period?



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