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Husky
Husky
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17 posts
25 Dec 2012 4:26am
Does anyone know if company's running demo days @ the beach have insurances against property damage?

I was out on my surfboard on Saturday and got taken out by an inexperience sup rider trying to paddle out in 3 ft waves. My board was left with a 3 inch fin chop right the thru and the right side of nose sitting a 45 deg angle.

The bloke that hit my paid for the repair but the company running the day wanted nothing to do with it. My board is only 2 mths old with no prior damage & the repair is very obvious so not to happy. Should the company replace my board or is it just my bad luck?

I've owned my sup for about 3 wks and knew I was to inexperience to take it out with the size of the waves and the amount of people around but company's are more then happy to send 1st timers out just to try and make a sale. Totally wrong!

Should I carry on till the company gets me a new board or just accept it and move on?

Cheers husky

Ps - all the best for the festive season.
Downwinder
Downwinder
QLD
2095 posts
QLD, 2095 posts
25 Dec 2012 7:46am
Husky said...

Does anyone know if company's running demo days @ the beach have insurances against property damage?

I was out on my surfboard on Saturday and got taken out by an inexperience sup rider trying to paddle out in 3 ft waves. My board was left with a 3 inch fin chop right the thru and the right side of nose sitting a 45 deg angle.

The bloke that hit my paid for the repair but the company running the day wanted nothing to do with it. My board is only 2 mths old with no prior damage & the repair is very obvious so not to happy. Should the company replace my board or is it just my bad luck?

I've owned my sup for about 3 wks and knew I was to inexperience to take it out with the size of the waves and the amount of people around but company's are more then happy to send 1st timers out just to try and make a sale. Totally wrong!

Should I carry on till the company gets me a new board or just accept it and move on?

Cheers husky

Ps - all the best for the festive season.


Ask the company pay for your new board the company is covered by insurance for these kind of instances.
if they don't take the company to court
or better still serve papers on them and take them to court as the company is in the wrong you will win at no expense to you

I've been down this road and one all my cases you will not need a solicitor just do the paper work yourself. Just ask Air New Zealand, Pay Pal and Ebay I took them to the cleaners.
Yes Please Mr Wizard


mmhard
mmhard
NSW
72 posts
NSW, 72 posts
25 Dec 2012 8:56am
I think you should definately pressure them to take responsibility for the damage, i believe that these shops and distributors have to act responsibly and professionaly when they are supplying large numbers of these boards to the general public, many of whom have not surfed before and are not aware of the way the line up works. Im sure its only a matter of time til we hear of an injury that has occured from circumstances similar to this. And if that means they have to pay indemnity insurance or make everyone wear a helmet or PFD then thats the way it is, they are running a buisness and making profits they should at least do it safely.
Cheers
62mac
62mac
WA
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25 Dec 2012 6:16am
Yes but the guy who coursed the damage paid for the repair,this is a form of settlement,end of story.

If you weren't happy to accept his offer then you should have said so at the time and taken it up with the company running the demo day.Having said that sh-t happens dings happen nobody is happy,I think you should move on.

Sorry just my 2 cents.
OG SUP
OG SUP
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25 Dec 2012 9:26am
Husky I would be pretty pissed too if I have a near new board damaged by a SUPer or any other surf craft but in the surf it often happens and its a risk you take stepping off the beach.

If it was in the usual situation where it was another individuals board not one supplied at a demo day often you would be lucky just to get the board repaired and for them to pay for it.

If it was me getting the board repaired I would take it to a shaper / ding repairer i knew to get the job done. Even when boards are professionally repaired often it will never look like the pristine product and thats just a fact of life.

If I pulled up at a beach where there was a full crew out demoing boards I would drive on or be prepared there was increased risk.

Similarly if your company running a demo day you need to meet your responsibilities to both the participants and the non participants.




Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
25 Dec 2012 6:34am
62mac said...
Yes but the guy who coursed the damage paid for the repair,this is a form of settlement,end of story.

If you weren't happy to accept his offer then you should have said so at the time and taken it up with the company running the demo day.Having said that sh-t happens dings happen nobody is happy,I think you should move on.

Sorry just my 2 cents.


That's more then 2 cents Mac - I reckon there's a full dollar in that rant.
62mac
62mac
WA
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25 Dec 2012 6:41am


Well its like shaking hands with someone and saying its cool,then next week beating crap out of him

merry xmas I shouldn't be in this lounge, going to the first class one next door
Surfrod66
Surfrod66
NSW
665 posts
NSW, 665 posts
25 Dec 2012 9:49am
Great lets all persue this and encourage the guy to sue!!!!! Then next time you want to try a board before you pay your cash and there is no more Demo boards or Demo days we will wonder why!!!!!
Boards get broken or damaged in the surf...thats life sorry but get over it...
When I park a new car in the shopping centre car park and some learner open his door and dings my new car what do you think the shopping centre is going to say if I ask them to get me a new car?
I have had boards dinged in the surf and never had the offer to get it fixed by the guy who damaged it, so I think you did pretty well there.
Just my thoughts
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
25 Dec 2012 6:50am
^^^^^^Land Yachting room Mac ?
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
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25 Dec 2012 6:56am
Scotty88 said...
^^^^^^Land Yachting room Mac ?


what's that street sup

your a bad man scotty and your going to get me in so much trouble
labomba
labomba
WA
3 posts
WA, 3 posts
25 Dec 2012 7:01am
Scotty88 said...
62mac said...
Yes but the guy who coursed the damage paid for the repair,this is a form of settlement,end of story.

If you weren't happy to accept his offer then you should have said so at the time and taken it up with the company running the demo day.Having said that sh-t happens dings happen nobody is happy,I think you should move on.

Sorry just my 2 cents.


That's more then 2 cents Mac - I reckon there's a full dollar in that rant.


Hi , you may think its a rant but there are a lot of us out there who have been surfing for 30 years plus and generally dings are sorted out on the spot and I totally agree with mac
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
25 Dec 2012 7:07am
^ I like this guy
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
25 Dec 2012 8:53am
62mac said...
Scotty88 said...
^^^^^^Land Yachting room Mac ?


what's that street sup

your a bad man scotty and your going to get me in so much trouble


It's actually a yacht on wheels for people who can't swim.
Dexy
Dexy
QLD
30 posts
QLD, 30 posts
25 Dec 2012 11:51am
Have to agree with the old school guys. I've had more dings on new boards than you can poke a stick at, and probably caused a couple along the way. It's a p*ss off but part of the course in a crowded line up. Never had an offer to repair let alone replace my new damaged board. I don't think I'd be one for going down the path of suing each other, there is enough of that out there in the real world already. Also how do you really prove who was in the wrong?
Imagine all the legal indemnities, forms, deposits and crap just to have a demo on a board.
Maybe just fume in silence and move on.


62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
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25 Dec 2012 9:58am
Clearly you weren't riding a mctavish bullet proof
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
25 Dec 2012 2:24pm
Hi Guys,
This is Dave
On the day we were running the demo we had full council approval and insurance.
So firstly the surf was only 2 ft with the occasional 3 ft if that coming through.
Everyone out on the boards demoing were not first timers in fact all of them were profficent riders.
The person who's board cleaned up the surf board was actually trying a slightly larger board for more stability and got cleaned up paddling out..
Husky came out of the water straight up to us and told us what had happened, we didn't see it and I was taken completely buy surprise.
Now he asked about insurrance and having never had to make a claim I wasn't sure what was covered and if it was just persons or if his board would be covered.
I told him I'd find out for him.
He said he was heading away on boxing day and that he needed his board to take away with him.
I took his details down and called our board repaired and made sure he was able to get his board repaired in time. He said he'd used someone else I said well our repairer I've been using for 10 yrs and is very very good. Our repairer called me back and yes he would be able to get the board done in time.
I cleaned his board and wiped it dry, placed it in my car and he left.
The person who had damaged his board came out of the water about 30mins later and said he'd happily pay for the repair, that it was the nose of the board and it wouldn't be effected strength wise and he should be happy to have it repaired. I was happy to use our repairer and get it done and pay for it..
About 30 mins later the surfer rings up wanting it done at another repairer, who I didn't know. The person who damaged the board new the repairer and said he'd take the board and get it done for him and happy to pay for it..
So the board is repaired and I thought everything was sorted until one of my friends drew my attention to this on the forum..
The person has made no move to contact our business despite having our full contact details when leaving..
Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
25 Dec 2012 2:56pm
So it is true, every story has two sides.

Ps
I was kiting at Nobbys yesterday when a pod of dolphins popped up in front of me, no worries i think as they are way better than me in the ocean, but as i got closer more popped up inches from me, i cut away as much as i could but still my board touched a dolphin, no damage to my board and im very much hoping the dolphin was unhurt and doesn't want to sue me.

100% true story, the people who know me will believe me (but you are only going to hear my version)

Accidents are called that because they are just are “accidents”
North
North
WA
104 posts
WA, 104 posts
25 Dec 2012 1:24pm
A shame that things inevitably go down this path. I understand that it hurts a little more when your $2500 Paddle surfboard gets dinged than your $600 shortboard. But come on it got sorted didn't it. Man Up
HGFish
HGFish
NSW
148 posts
NSW, 148 posts
25 Dec 2012 5:07pm
And the 3rd side - I'm the guy that did the "cleaning up".

I was paddling out and pushing through a couple waves - third wave had a surfer on it that was coming my way, pushed through as hard as I could but board came away and the two boards hit in the wave. I immediately apologised made sure the guy was OK and when he said he had a ding I offered to pay for it. In fact I went back onto the beach with him, gave him my name and told him my details are with the guys doing the demo and asked that he leave his details with them and I'd sort it out.

When I came in I asked if he'd come up and was told he did and that they would be having the board repaired in time for the guy to go away and while I was there he called and I also spoke to him - he asked for another repairer and I said no problem and even offered to drop it off for him, which I did (I also offered to lend him a similar board for his trip if his wasn't ready in time). Board was repaired on the day and ready for collection yesterday. The repairer is well known in the area and did a great job (I went to have a look and pay for it) and quickly so that the board is ready for his trip on Boxing Day. The damage is a fin chop right on the nose (first 6 inches of the nose) and this will not cause any difference in the board performance and has been sprayed to make it very difficult to see there has been a repair.

I've also been surfing 35+ years and understand these things happen in the water and legally I didn't have to do a thing, nor could anyone sue me (successfully anyway) for the damage. I'd also like to say that Dave (who I only met on the day) was more than prepared to have it fixed for him, in fact he'd left the board with Dave.
djoblin
djoblin
99 posts
99 posts
25 Dec 2012 3:01pm
This sort of bull, brings shame to surfing. bring back the humanity.
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
25 Dec 2012 3:02pm
labomba said...
Scotty88 said...
62mac said...
Yes but the guy who coursed the damage paid for the repair,this is a form of settlement,end of story.

If you weren't happy to accept his offer then you should have said so at the time and taken it up with the company running the demo day.Having said that sh-t happens dings happen nobody is happy,I think you should move on.

Sorry just my 2 cents.


That's more then 2 cents Mac - I reckon there's a full dollar in that rant.


Hi , you may think its a rant but there are a lot of us out there who have been surfing for 30 years plus and generally dings are sorted out on the spot and I totally agree with mac


I'm not surprised you agree with Mac.
I bet you 2 are really,really close.
thePup
thePup
13831 posts
13831 posts
25 Dec 2012 3:16pm
nah no relation
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
25 Dec 2012 3:26pm
sorse said...
Hi Guys,
This is Dave
On the day we were running the demo we had full council approval and insurance.
So firstly the surf was only 2 ft with the occasional 3 ft if that coming through.
Everyone out on the boards demoing were not first timers in fact all of them were profficent riders.
The person who's board cleaned up the surf board was actually trying a slightly larger board for more stability and got cleaned up paddling out..
Husky came out of the water straight up to us and told us what had happened, we didn't see it and I was taken completely buy surprise.
Now he asked about insurrance and having never had to make a claim I wasn't sure what was covered and if it was just persons or if his board would be covered.
I told him I'd find out for him.
He said he was heading away on boxing day and that he needed his board to take away with him.
I took his details down and called our board repaired and made sure he was able to get his board repaired in time. He said he'd used someone else I said well our repairer I've been using for 10 yrs and is very very good. Our repairer called me back and yes he would be able to get the board done in time.
I cleaned his board and wiped it dry, placed it in my car and he left.
The person who had damaged his board came out of the water about 30mins later and said he'd happily pay for the repair, that it was the nose of the board and it wouldn't be effected strength wise and he should be happy to have it repaired. I was happy to use our repairer and get it done and pay for it..
About 30 mins later the surfer rings up wanting it done at another repairer, who I didn't know. The person who damaged the board new the repairer and said he'd take the board and get it done for him and happy to pay for it..
So the board is repaired and I thought everything was sorted until one of my friends drew my attention to this on the forum..
The person has made no move to contact our business despite having our full contact details when leaving..



You couldn't ask for anything more ,well done mate
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
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25 Dec 2012 3:27pm
Scotty not me this time I promise.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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25 Dec 2012 5:38pm
i reckon the surf forecaster has got a case to answer for too.


he should have been able to predict that some thing like this was going to happen.
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
25 Dec 2012 5:20pm
62mac said...
Scotty not me this time I promise.


Bloody Lacey then.
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
25 Dec 2012 9:47pm
Thankyou HGgfish and others.
I understand these things happen and just ware to put my side forward.
I would hate to see something small like this blow out of proportion and have disputes between sups, surfers, body boarders, kitesurfers get dragged in..
I hope I have a good local reputation for honesty and looking after the locals and would like to keep it that way as well..
Cheers and Merry Christmas,
Hope the waves and weather is better tomorrow for all of us :)
Husky
Husky
17 posts
17 posts
25 Dec 2012 9:26pm
Please let me clarify a few things:

1. Am I p1ssed off my new board got damaged - yeah of course I am as everyone else would be!
2. Did I come on here naming people and looking to rubbish individuals or companies - absoluely not, hence no names.
3.As my original post stated I was after opinions on whether I should ask for a new board or just accept it & move on. I asked this question in an effort to find out where I stood. Yeah I vented and had a rant about where & how Demo days are held (Point 1 above) but it was somebody else that talked about sueing.


HGFish - What you did was above and beyond what you had to do & I thank you for that. You did apologise, you did come in and give me your details, you drop my board off & paid for the repair, and you also offered one of your boards for my holiday if needed. As I said above & beyond what you had to do and very decent of you. As I said to you in the water the important thing was no one got hurt. I picked up the board yesterday afternoon & although repaired (& damaged masked with a spray) it no longer has a bottom that is as smooth as it used to be (matting to cover fin chop goes 12 inches down from nose). Will this effect its performance (or leave it weaker)? Don't know as I haven't been back in the water yet. As for your experience I believe I was told that you have surfed for years but new to SUP's. If this is wrong I do apologies.

Sorse - As I said above I did not come on here to name companies. After re-reading my original post I should have stated more clearly that the company running the demo day were not keen on a 'replacement board', and whether it is wrong or right it is the impression that I got. Maybe this is supported by the fact that you thought it was all sorted after the repair as you put in your post. As my board is so new my No. 1 option (& what I asked for) was always for a replacement not repair. That is why I asked about your insurance cover. Since you didn't know if it was covered or not, and timing was terrible with everything closed for x-mas etc, I put a general post on here with a lead in question of "Does anyone know if company's running demo days @ the beach have insurances against property damage?" As you said in your post you were happy to repair and I do apologise for how the original post reads. The reality is that I am now left with a new board that's had (what I think is) a fairly major repairs done it. I will test out the board whilst on holidays and then give you a call to discuss the options in person. I was just trying to find out where I stood before talking to you. I agreed 100% with your last post of not letting things blow out of proportion. I'm not here to rubbish you or your business and only those friends who know you from your post will know that your company was running the demo day.

I do however believe that there are better places to run SUP demo days. I also believe that people should have to do a demo day on flat water 1st to prove competency before hitting the waves. Maybe you already do this, I'm not sure, and these thoughts are for all company's running demo days not just yours. I'm not against Sup's, as I said I recently brought one, but in the wrong hands and situation someone is going to hurt one day. (This is not referring to what happened here but just in general)

Husky
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
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26 Dec 2012 12:48am
Husky said...
Please let me clarify a few things:

As my original post stated I was after opinions on whether I should ask for a new board or just accept it & move on. I asked this question in an effort to find out where I stood. Yeah I vented and had a rant about where & how Demo days are held (Point 1 above) but it was somebody else that talked about sueing.


Husky




Based on your (understandably) defensive point above, I take it you got the impression that the majority of respondents don't think you should lawyer up. You can make your own call on that, but I will just add, I don't do business with litigious types. It's a reputation you may never shake.
Husky
Husky
17 posts
17 posts
25 Dec 2012 10:06pm
The thought of lawyering up never entered my mind. That was someone else who also took on ebay and someone else.

Husky
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
26 Dec 2012 9:47am
Thankyou Husky I realize you did not name anyone and I'd like to thankyou for this and your understanding.
I will not post any further comments only to say yes we do run flat water demo days first and would not and have never put a beginner into the surf specially on a demo day.
The demo was specifically a surf demo day for the regular dixon park/ newcastle riders, most all of the guys demoing the boards are local surfers and sup riders from this beach.
I hope your board surfs well and you have a great christmas and new year.
PLease give me a call if you have any further issues or enquiries.
Cheers Dave
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