Draft Ocean Beaches Strategy

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Downwinder
Downwinder
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26 Mar 2013 2:06pm
G'day Gold Coast Breezes please have a go and fill at the
Draft Ocean Beaches Strategy
www.gchaveyoursay.com.au/oceanbeachesstrategy

I'm pushing for a dozen or more underwater artificial V shaped reefs facing EAST 100 metres in width along beach front 400 metres in length preceding out to sea. That start from the low-tide mark one metre underwater.

Yes Please Mr Wizard

PTWoody
PTWoody
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26 Mar 2013 3:10pm
I imagine you've prepared an environmental impact statement to accompany that submission?
RJK
RJK
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RJK RJK
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26 Mar 2013 4:35pm
I like the idea. What do you plan on constructing them from? Hard to keep anything grounded in the ocean. I can only imagine a positive impact on the environment. Reducing erosion by breaking the swell further out as well as acting as a sand retainer.
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
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26 Mar 2013 4:14pm
^^^^it has already started with our deck from main beach goooone and a heap of trees and concrete...sorry tourists but the banks have not been this good in ages

but what is your plan downwinder?
CMC
CMC
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26 Mar 2013 4:46pm
It's just a little ironic that this public consultation is being promoted so heavily in the media and by the council themselves.

The same consultation for the Broadwater development was kept under wraps, not promoted and lasted for 2 weeks.

Our Mayor is a crook, full stop.
chrispychru
chrispychru
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26 Mar 2013 4:48pm
yep mr potatater head is the new joh[}:)]
Simondo
Simondo
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26 Mar 2013 6:08pm
Environment aside, that sounds like fun. The sand will stack in, and it has potential for some very fun waves.

But what is the depth at 400m out to sea? Obviously it will change at different locations... With my estimator hat on, you're at risk of needing a crap load of "fill", as you go out further. Crap Load = $$$
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
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26 Mar 2013 5:50pm
Surely Council could have saved some of those $$$ by not putting the RED DOT all over the Strategy documents
foamballer
foamballer
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26 Mar 2013 7:39pm
It's often done with 'sand sausages', which are geotextile tubes (geotubes) which are filled sand slurry from a dredge. The water drains out of them leaving hard packed sand within. Any offshore 'reef' will refract waves and change the pattern of both sand accumulation behind the structure, and to balance things out, will also lead to exacerbated erosion in areas away from it. Apart from the cost - it'd be the potential for areas of erosion which will be the biggest hurdle.
Mixup
Mixup
NSW
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26 Mar 2013 8:49pm
Maybe the Goldie crew would know...
I remember hearing something about the attempted artificial sand bag reef off Surfer's that only got to the second stage before the council pulled the pin.
What ever happened to that?
Can they finish it?
Did it have a negative impact on the surrounding beachfronts?
Originally sounded like a good idea.
chrispychru
chrispychru
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26 Mar 2013 8:11pm
^^^^^narrowneck. i would not rate that as a reef or something that produces good waves. there was a uni study on it about what difference it made for waves. imo it failed. yet now we are wiser and smarter so who knows what can be done. i still want to hear what downwinders ideas are on this,since he is trying for it. i would be stoked for consistent waves on the beachies. in saying that mother nature destroyed the beaches for walkers,yet she has produced some sick banks atm and i am way stoked
aus301
aus301
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26 Mar 2013 9:45pm
Hell yes, after all messing with Mother Nature has done so much for us in the past.

Remember, every action has a equal opposite reaction.
Downwinder
Downwinder
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26 Mar 2013 9:57pm
The artificial reef at Narrowneck was constructed by a New Zealand company and the Council took over half way through construction and f####d it. SAD.

Sand dunes have long left the Gold Coast since the forties. SAD.

Sad dunes are the best source of protection against beach erosion. As a teenager growing up in the seventies between Redhead and Blacksmiths beach in Newcastle we had 100ft Sand dunes. When we'd get westerly winds you could see the sand landing way out into the ocean from the wind blowing through the valleys of the sand dunes so we'd come back a week later and have the perfect A framed bank just pumping 3-10ft with only 2 guys out it was like which way you wanna go Left or Right (I still day dream about those days). Those sand dunes are no longer there due to sand mining SAD. The sad from Newcastle built the concrete jungle of Honolulu Oahu Hawaii.

Dune care has been proven since the seventies they don't work what moron thought off Dune Care KOOK

A couple of ways to fix the Gold Coast Beaches

Keep the Sand Pumping going at Snapper Rocks bring back the Super Bank I'd rather have Pumping Snapper than Pumping Kirra yes Kirra is a great waves but Snapper can handle the crowed and if you're a strong paddler you'll get bulk waves. In 2002 when Snapper was in it's glory you could take off at Snapper pull into a 10 second Barrel come out stall pull into another 10 second Barrel come out stall and pull into another 10 second Barrel, flick off down near Kirra break-wall. check out the surf movie Super 8 and 3 Degrees Snapper will blow ya mind.
Extend Kirra Groin another 50 metres
Sand pump at Flat Rock or Elephant Rock.
Currumbin Alley? I'd hate to be a local at Currumbin Alley
Pump sand from Tallebudgera Creek around into Burleigh Cove they did that in the seventies. The pipe is still buried at the Cove.
Miami / North Burleigh Headland put a pipe underground protruding out of the Headland pumping sand 24/7
Triangle artificial reefs facing direct east along Gold Coast Beaches using tyre's, sandbags and boulders:- It'll promote fishing, Scuba Diving, Snorkeling, Surfing.
Turn the Seaway from the Sheraton Motel to the Spit into beautiful park lands be great for families and it will get rid of all those sick **** bush dwellers.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
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26 Mar 2013 10:58pm
foamballer said...
Apart from the cost - it'd be the potential for areas of erosion which will be the biggest hurdle.


If the artificial reefs are designed correctly taking into longshore sand transport and wave movements there should be minimal erosion - they are normally designed to stem the erosion by breaking up the wave action before it hits the beach. There maybe issues with down-drift erosion but there are ways to deal with this. The whole idea of these structures is to break up the sand and wave movement patterns in their lee so that sand accumulation can occur.

Narrowneck from a coastal engineering point of view has been successful. It was not designed as a purely surfing reef, its primarily objective was for beach protection.
62mac
62mac
WA
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27 Mar 2013 6:16am
Why not have a fake reef its the GC after all the place is full of fakes.

Sandsy1
Sandsy1
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27 Mar 2013 10:55am
foamballer said...
It's often done with 'sand sausages', which are geotextile tubes (geotubes) which are filled sand slurry from a dredge. The water drains out of them leaving hard packed sand within. Any offshore 'reef' will refract waves and change the pattern of both sand accumulation behind the structure, and to balance things out, will also lead to exacerbated erosion in areas away from it. Apart from the cost - it'd be the potential for areas of erosion which will be the biggest hurdle.


Spot on. I read that the Council in the Shire area of Sydney were looking at a similar solution to stop beachside erosion. The report that I read showed that it works.
State governments will spend a $100 million to build a 20 thousand seat stadium to watch your football team run around 20 times a year, but they won't spend any money to save the open beaches from erosion and at the same time create more surf locations for the thousands of surfers who could possibly use them 365 days a year, not 20.
Sandsy1
Sandsy1
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27 Mar 2013 11:10am
PS.
Don't rely on Councils to make 'solid' sound decisions. Political expediency, that allows no original thought, with staffers who for the most have semi-retired brains. My working life has been trying to get through Council processes with some form of common sense, prevailing. FAIL!!
If you want to change the situation, bypass Council, State or Federal Members are your only chance and we all know how they are with decisions and promises.
petedorries
petedorries
QLD
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27 Mar 2013 11:14am
62mac said...
Why not have a fake reef its the GC after all the place is full of fakes.




Bloody Hell. Another one has worked us out....
tha dogman
tha dogman
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27 Mar 2013 12:37pm
petedorries said...
62mac said...
Why not have a fake reef its the GC after all the place is full of fakes.




Bloody Hell. Another one has worked us out....


hahahahaha
maxeaus
maxeaus
NSW
326 posts
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27 Mar 2013 8:51pm
Anyone remember the good old days when you rocked up to a beach or location and if it wasn't ideal for your use you just went to another beach or location and left mother nature to herself?

....................Now we have fisherman, boaties, cruise lines, surfers, nimbys, council all wanting to build something their way because of self interest greed and stupidity.

I don't blame you downwinder for trying though because everything's been so stuffed up already up there.
Dexy
Dexy
QLD
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27 Mar 2013 9:53pm
Sadly I think Ted the kiwi has it right. Councils priority is to save the fore shore not create surf breaks. It will probably be bag reefs parallel to the beach to kill wave action on the beach. This came up a few years ago at Palm Beach and was killed off by a local 'no reef' campaign. Knowing Taterheads form GC surfers should keep an eye on this one to make sure they don't stuff the entire surfing coastline.
teatrea
teatrea
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27 Mar 2013 9:58pm
If I had beach front property , id be selling
Downwinder
Downwinder
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28 Mar 2013 6:57am
Dexy said...
It will probably be bag reefs parallel to the beach to kill wave action on the beach.


That would never happen these days Dexy especially in the 21 century look what happened at Palm Beach well done Glen Elliott
Sandsy1
Sandsy1
NSW
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28 Mar 2013 10:30am
The artificial reefs can serve two purposes, erosion protectection and waves. This is a clip I had seen a while ago.
Downwinder
Downwinder
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28 Mar 2013 5:14pm
Sandsy1 said...
The artificial reefs can serve two purposes, erosion protectection and waves. This is a clip I had seen a while ago.


Great find Sandsy that wave looks fun a bit soft, but pumping.
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