EPP Vs EPS as a SUP core

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crakas
crakas
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QLD, 468 posts
27 Nov 2015 1:19pm
Got to patch my board again, which got me wondering about the construction.

Why don't SUPs use EPP (the stuff inside your stack hat) instead of EPS? EPP has better impact resistance than EPS.

Anyone know why?

Cheers,

Barrie
PeterP
PeterP
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873 posts
27 Nov 2015 5:01pm
If you mean Extruded Polystyrene (XPS) then the answer could be that it's because it is heavier and also more prone to delaminating.
colas
colas
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5388 posts
27 Nov 2015 5:06pm
Kami uses it for his flex tail designs. Bodyboards are made with EPP.

Other than than, EPP is heavier, more difficult to cut, very hard to sand, and less rigid than EPS, so a very bad choice for encasing in glass layers.

The interesting foam is XPS because it is waterproof. But its slick surface makes it prone to delanimating (glass layer do not stick well). Some shapers have succes with it by roughing up the surface before glassing (sanding, punching micro holes, ...) .
crakas
crakas
QLD
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QLD, 468 posts
27 Nov 2015 7:27pm
Didn't mean XPS and have read that XPS also suffers from expansion when heated (eg. when a board is left in a car) which is caused by the blowing agent trapped in the cells expanding. This is believed to cause delamination as well.

I was referring to expanded polypropolene (EPP), didn't realize it was more difficult to cut and sand. The only exposure I have had with it is packing material, car parts, helmets and eskies, and was led to believe that is came in different densities and therefore could be just as light as EPS but offer better impact resistance.

Could the lack of rigidity be overcome with the choice of laminating material?

Just curious...
colas
colas
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5388 posts
28 Nov 2015 9:01pm
Try to glass a bodyboard...
charlieuk
charlieuk
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355 posts
28 Nov 2015 11:15pm
the main problem is epp is about 10x the price of eps and your not going to get any real benefit from it as a core.
colas
colas
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5388 posts
29 Nov 2015 4:07pm
Seriously:
- XPS "blowing agent trapped in the cells expanding", no as it is a closed cell foam, nothing can come in or out the cell. So, if some air get trapped between the skin and blank, it cannot go back into the blank and by forcing its way between the sking and blank may create delamination.

- EPP SUP and surfboards actually already exist... they just aren't glassed. That's the beginner "foam boards". For instance sup-passion.com/stand-up-mousse-decathlon/ (note that it has an EPS core for ligthness and rigidity) Or the famous "Morey Doyle" www.vonweirdos.com/forsale/Original-Morey-Doyle-Soft-Board-_1040.htm

- EPP has no mechanical qualities for a sandwich construction between glass layer. You are better off just making hollow boards.

- Even if you manage to shape an EPP blank, it will never keep its shape for glassing...
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