Flat water speeds

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HFFanatic
HFFanatic
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4 posts
27 Oct 2011 7:42am
Does anyone know what average speeds people are doing when on flat water. I have been averaging about 6.6k's an hour over a 5.5k course from my house and am keen to know where my times are good or not.
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
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27 Oct 2011 10:59am
What board are you on and is there any wind or current involved?
RJK
RJK
NSW
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RJK RJK
NSW, 622 posts
27 Oct 2011 11:08am
back when our guys were doing the lake circuit a nice time was anything under 30min for 4km on a 12.6 race board. i did hear the record was around 24min though, not sure of the board or conditions for that run.
HFFanatic
HFFanatic
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4 posts
27 Oct 2011 8:15am
I have a fanatic 14 and yes they is always tidal movement but as I paddle down and back it should square off any effect
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
VIC, 3982 posts
27 Oct 2011 12:02pm
As RJK says, 30 mins for 4km or 8km/h is pretty good going for me on a 12'6" race board on a circuit course which takes account of wind direction and current. However, I tend to think the stronger wind and bigger waves slow you down more going into them than the advantage you pick up when they're at your back.

HFFanatic, that Fanatic 14, if it's the original open ocean rocker version, is not a super fast board on flat water but I think it would be good if you can push into the low to mid 7k's an hour.

The super fast guys from up north would be doing 10 km/h I think.
standupper
standupper
387 posts
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27 Oct 2011 11:04am
On a 12'6 and average fitness level I reckon the average speed over a 5km course should be -

7km/h is brisk cruising,

8km/h is quick

8.5km/h+ is race pace

You have to be a very fit machine to maintain over 9km/h for any distance on a 12'6 unles it is glassy flat water and no wind.
mrl
mrl
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mrl mrl
1 posts
27 Oct 2011 12:44pm
if there is wind or current it will always slow you down if you go go both directions. We could do the math but consider the limiting case if the speed of the current exceeds your paddling speed you would never get back. I would love to see a speed event like they do in sailing to see just how fast we can go over a distance
PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
27 Oct 2011 1:32pm
Flatwater speeds are tricky to compare from venue to venue due to current, wind and waterdepth. Standuppers guidelines seem about right.
Kenoo
Kenoo
WA
115 posts
WA, 115 posts
27 Oct 2011 4:43pm
I get just over 8km/hr on a 71 14' carbon board on a 5km training circuit, I think I would be a lot slower on a 12'6 tho being ~105kg and rather unfit!!
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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27 Oct 2011 8:19pm
standupper said...

On a 12'6 and average fitness level I reckon the average speed over a 5km course should be -

7km/h is brisk cruising,

8km/h is quick

8.5km/h+ is race pace

You have to be a very fit machine to maintain over 9km/h for any distance on a 12'6 unles it is glassy flat water and no wind.


my very best was 9.6 km/hr on a 16 ft er. conditions were ideal too.

i would say most of the people training at currumbin can manage 8.5 km/hr plus on 12'6 s in reasonable conditions
that's paddling to wendts bridge and back in 55 mins or under
rahams
rahams
NSW
544 posts
NSW, 544 posts
27 Oct 2011 9:33pm
my average in the lake with no wind no tide on a old 12 6 x30 fanatic is 8.4 kmh
over 8 ks with about 2 turns a k (not a big lake) 5 to 10 knot wind down to 8.2 any more wind than that under 8
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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27 Oct 2011 8:53pm
rahams said...

my average in the lake with no wind no tide on a old 12 6 x30 fanatic is 8.4 kmh
over 8 ks with about 2 turns a k (not a big lake) 5 to 10 knot wind down to 8.2 any more wind than that under 8


yeah, wind and tide are big factors. sometimes the first half you can get 4 kms in 22 to 24 mins. that 10 plus kms/hr, but the paddle back, well a lot slower. as rahams said 8 kms/hr and less
chrisparker
chrisparker
234 posts
234 posts
27 Oct 2011 8:12pm
Speeds from the Silver Blade Regatta event (Olympic flat water course)...

Jim Terrell won the 200m in 00:01:02.854
= 11.46km/h

Slater Trout won the 2000m in 00:12:50.095
= 9.35 km/h

(riding 14' boards apparently)
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
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28 Oct 2011 12:41am
Just did a 4km race this evening. Glassy flat water (apart from some dick heads in a speed boat who thought it would be funny to blast in front of the paddlers and throw up some wake). Averaged 8km/h. Needed to average at least 8.5km/h to win the race.
PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
28 Oct 2011 3:26am
We have a weekly 1.9km time-trial which has had over 100 guys record a time to date. The record is 11:48 which is 9.66km/h set on a Starboard Ace by monster of a paddler. 2nd best time is 11:50 (9.63km/h) set by a Naish Javelin - both 14's.

The canals we use are virtually wind protected and have no current but are not over 1.4m deep which causes board speeds to slow down. Part of the canal is a little deeper and there we immediately go over 10km/h but that section doesn't form part of our route. Most our longer races, 5-7km have been won with an average speed of 9.1km/h which is a fair pace for those distances...

I'd imagine an olympic course would have sufficient waterdepth and Slater Trouts times would have been hampered by wind? Otherwise we'll have to send a few paddlers over next time........
JB Mel
JB Mel
QLD
297 posts
QLD, 297 posts
28 Oct 2011 7:24am
I cruise up and down the creek (2.5km each way) on a variety of boards.
On 12'6 Hobie race board best time one-way with tide on my side 16mins (9.37km/hr). Same day coming back against tide 21mins (7.14km/hr). Average time for round trip 8.1km/hr.

Best time one-way on non-race board 10'6" ATR 18 mins (8.33km/hr)

Relatively sheltered from wind but current can be strong especially in the narrower sections.
Downwinder
Downwinder
QLD
2098 posts
QLD, 2098 posts
28 Oct 2011 7:38am
PeterP said...

We have a weekly 1.9km time-trial which has had over 100 guys record a time to date. The record is 11:48 which is 9.66km/h set on a Starboard Ace by monster of a paddler. 2nd best time is 11:50 (9.63km/h) set by a Naish Javelin - both 14's.

The canals we use are virtually wind protected and have no current but are not over 1.4m deep which causes board speeds to slow down. Part of the canal is a little deeper and there we immediately go over 10km/h but that section doesn't form part of our route. Most our longer races, 5-7km have been won with an average speed of 9.1km/h which is a fair pace for those distances...

I'd imagine an olympic course would have sufficient waterdepth and Slater Trouts times would have been hampered by wind? Otherwise we'll have to send a few paddlers over next time........


Love ya Homework PeterP thats fanatical good stuff
Downwinder
Downwinder
QLD
2098 posts
QLD, 2098 posts
28 Oct 2011 7:45am
chrisparker said...

Speeds from the Silver Blade Regatta event (Olympic flat water course)...

Jim Terrell won the 200m in 00:01:02.854
= 11.46km/h

Slater Trout won the 2000m in 00:12:50.095
= 9.35 km/h

(riding 14' boards apparently)


I'd love to see Jim Terrell on a f18 do a time trial being an Olympic Gold Medalist in Kayaking he'd be doing something like 13.56km/h. The f18 is the fastest flat water board on the planet

djoblin
djoblin
99 posts
99 posts
28 Oct 2011 8:31am
Wow thats quick, better get out training!
surf4fun
surf4fun
WA
1313 posts
WA, 1313 posts
31 Oct 2011 1:32pm
To give a bit more of an idea these are the results from yesterdays Classic Paddle in Perth, All times over a 5km course:
1st - 29:34 = 10.23km/hr Fanatic 14
2nd - 29:55 = 10.14km/hr DC14
3rd - 29:56 = 10.14km/hr Fanatic 12'6 (wide)
4th - 30:06 = 9.98km/hr Hobie 14
5th - 30.34 = 9.88km/hr SIC F16
6th - 31:29 = 9.58km/hr Fanatic 14
PTWoody
PTWoody
VIC
3982 posts
VIC, 3982 posts
31 Oct 2011 4:42pm
That's good going in Perth, especially the person on the 12'6"
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
31 Oct 2011 4:29pm
Geez ive got some work to do.Taken from my phone against the tide though!

12.6 Naish Jav

Kayaking Start Time

Oct 29, 2011 11:30 AM
Distance
4.03 km
Duration
32m:58s
Avg Speed 7.3 km/h Max Speed 8.8 km/h





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teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
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31 Oct 2011 4:33pm
This was on the way back into a raging head wind.Wasnt fun
Sport
Kayaking
Start Time
Oct 29, 2011 12:05 PM
Distance
4.10 km
Duration
36m:17s
Avg Speed 6.8 km/h Max Speed 9.7 km/h
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